The Ishmael Guestbook Archives: 9-30 November 1997

I've read Ishmael and "B", I felt more comfortable reading "B", as I felt that I the reader as well as "B" was learning and thinking..rather than being told and agreeing with the "teacher" Ishmael.
vicki <>
Pocatello, ID USA - Sunday, November 30, 1997 at 22:32:14 (PST)
i am in the middle of this book, and i for one would like to say IT SUCKS
Komal <>
USA - Sunday, November 30, 1997 at 20:43:26 (PST)
not really. although i...what...I kept reading the book. I didn't quit. and i think that if it gets more people to think about how they conduct themselves, that's a really wonderful thing.

nuala o'kane <>
Savannah, GA USA - Sunday, November 30, 1997 at 20:26:51 (PST)
I am a sophmore in pre-A.P. English 2. My class is currently in the middle to the end of Ishmael. Everybody in my class(to my knowledge)loves the book. Our class has heated debates over the questions Ishmael raises in each chapter. Thank you Mr. Quinn for such a wonderful and thought-provoking piece of literature. I look forward to reading MY ISHMAEL very soon.
Rachel Sprague <>
Bowdoin, Me USA - Sunday, November 30, 1997 at 15:48:14 (PST)
I am a freshman in high school. Since I scored
sort of high on the achievement test at school
last year, I ended up in an academic high school
downtown this year. I am 14 years old and I am
required along with the rest of the freshmen
to read Ishmael for Biology and English I. I
am more than halfway finished with it at this
moment, and, as a result of my bad habit for
jumping ahead in my reading, I found the URL
in the back of the book ahead of time. So I
thought I'd come in and give my thoughts on the book.
For one, most people in my class didn't read
the book. Even though I have never been a
religious person (my parents are agnostic)
most people from around here have been raised
to be avid and close-minded Christians. So out
of the whole freshmen class, about half decided
that they weren't going to read the book because
they said it denounced Christianity, blah blah.
Maybe they just wanted to get out of a reading
assignment. But as a result of reading Ishmael,
I am starting to reconsider Judeo-Christian
beliefs. When I started reading Ishmael, I
was very skeptical as when I read anything,
I felt as if it was just another bunch of
environmental hippie bullshit. I found it
pretty depressing. But as I read on, I became
fascinated with Ishmael's interpretations of
bible stories. And I have always agreed with
the "myth" approach to religon. Maybe that's
why half the people in my class chose not
to read the book. They didn't accept the fact
that beliefs are beliefs and facts are facts.
Although I am way past my save the world phase,
I have to congradulate Quinn on his novel, and
I support the younger readers of Ishmael as

valerie <>
Nashville, TN USA - Saturday, November 29, 1997 at 21:42:23 (PST)
Thank you, thank you, thank you. As a 17-year-old, I feel as if DQ's books have filled a void in my life. I always new I was missing something; I know now that is was the power of "Ishmael." These books stated all of those murky views that I was nev er quite able to explain. I'm ready now, to save the world. I want to start, and I want to do it now.
Angela Teater <>
USA - Saturday, November 29, 1997 at 20:12:44 (PST)
I'm twelve year sold and am in the middle of Ishmael right nw, it has changed a lot of views I have had in life and thousands of other small things.
philip birk <(i do not have one yet)>
paia, hi USA - Saturday, November 29, 1997 at 19:13:36 (PST)
Ishmael changed my life, as it did for many others. I never imagined that a book by one man could help me to identify and resolve all of the religious questions I was constantly tackling. I think it took the shock of someone calling Christianity a myth to allow my mind to be open to the lessons Ishmael teaches. Blind faith in religion leads people to dodge responsibility. Thanks, Ishmael, for placing the blame back on us. RN_
Ryan J Noble <>
San Jose, CA USA - Saturday, November 29, 1997 at 02:34:12 (PST)
Just read the messages below. Is it possible that Quinn's books, like Darwin's, are supplements to the bible? Is it possible that the two Ishmaels and B. will appear in an anthology in two hundred years, or so, following Darwin 1 and Darwin 2, appeari ng as Quinn 1, 2, & 3? Could these books comprise the Bible of Secular Thought. In our culture's adolescence we seem to abandoning our pre-adolescent fairy tales. It's about time. All life really is is the rubbing of molecules. Scientific animism! Great s tuff; thanks DQ for the "biblical" supplements and thanks webmaster Al for the forum to present ideas and discussions. Take care, be strong, and respect all molecules.
rob niemi <>
oshawa, ont Canada - Friday, November 28, 1997 at 10:32:36 (PST)
Good seeing Daniel in Bellingham last week. Have started reading My ishmael and find it vintage Quinn. Having been in education all my life I appreciated his indictment of our taker syster. In his section onleaver warfare he said that the Bosnian con fllicts were an example of the Erratic

Retaliator strategy. Wrong! The Serbs launched a deliberate annihilation program on all moslem people. This would have been a lovely case of the Taker policy, with the main taker powers standing by for years before trying todo anything to stop if---for fear of getting into another Viet Nam quagmire. The main motivation of the Serbs seemed to be revenge, religious fanaticism andsupernationalism, a la Hitlers cry for a greater Germany and a unification ofall
serbian volk. The Huston Institute is a great idea. But weneed to keep in mind that kknowledge without action is empty. We are faced with momentous choices---many of the injuries we are inflicting on theearth are unfixable!!

John Utzinger <>
Ellensburg , WA USA - Friday, November 28, 1997 at 09:35:06 (PST)
Good seeing Daniel in Bellingham last week. Have started reading My ishmael and find it vintage Quinn. Having been in education all my life I appreciated his indictment of our taker syster. In his section onleaver warfare he said that the Bosnian con fllicts were an example of the Erratic

Retaliator strategy. Wrong! The Serbs launched a deliberate annihilation program on all moslem people. This would have been a lovely case of the Taker policy, with the main taker powers standing by for years before trying todo anything to stop if---for fear of getting into another Viet Nam quagmire. The main motivation of the Serbs seemed to be revenge, religious fanaticism andsupernationalism, a la Hitlers cry for a greater Germany and a unification ofall
serbian volk. The Huston Institute is a great idea. But weneed to keep in mind that kknowledge without action is empty. We are faced with momentous choices---many of the injuries we are inflicting on theearth are unfixable!!

John Utzinger <>
Ellensburg , WA USA - Friday, November 28, 1997 at 09:32:04 (PST)
I have just read Ishmael and find it to be one of the best books I've ever read---fiction, that is, on the story part. As a Christian, I don't find it threatens my faith. On the contrary, it has deepened my conviction that God is just.

Manny Apalisok <>
Hong Kong, Hong Kong - Friday, November 28, 1997 at 05:28:43 (PST)
To the person below..
I can see how you have come to the conclusions you did.. Ishmael covers only a portion of the bible an so on.. But the Point of Ishmael is not only the biblical stories..

Now, Please point me to the "growing evidence" that supports the creation story.. I( would like to see that.. And it seems that you feel everybody should take the bible literally(though you may not actually have meant that.)

You say That Ishmael separates man from the truth about God.. I ask of you, What is the truth about God? Xtiantity and other religions are NOT based on empirical fact... The existence of God relies on Faith.. Christianity is a matter of Faith.. Its a m atter of personal beliefs.. You cannot Show people the truth about God.. If you think you can, then that is unprecedented. Like I said, its based on Faith, which has nothing to do with truth, though the believer may call it the truth, but it is only the t ruth to that person. You might ask "how can you prove what you believe in is real? Or is in the truth?..
Now that gets into territory Of philosophical thought concerning the nature of reality and if there is such a thing...Some may say that evolution and other scientific schools of thought are also based on Faith. .But they are based on empirical and other evidence.. Again, one can question the truth in that..

You thinking that God made us the "stewards" of the earth is just an extension of your personal faith.. Of course you were disappointed in Ishmael.. if you cannot question that belief of yours, or if you went into the book with that steadfast belief, then Ishmaels message would be understandably off target... Tell, me, how do you know that God made us the stewards of the earth. The burden of that proof falls on you, and what your proof relies on is Faith, which is subject to total personal interpretation and so on. I will assume that God did not make us the stewards of the Earth until somebody proves me wrong. And you cannot prove that to anybody unless that person forgets about empirical truth and goes for blind faith..
Enough of my rambling on that issue

If the Bible was being used in schools, that would be even more alarming, and should be alarming to you if Ishmael is alarming..

Its not any real use debating these things with each other. You have your faith, and no amount of scientific knowledge and so on will change your views concerning biblical stories if you have faith.. You need no Proof, for you have faith.. Faith needs no proof.
I on the other hand see things differently.. I have read the bible extensively and have come to different conclusions.. And like i said, its all about personal interpretation...
I respect your views on things.. It just strike me that you could not see beyond the biblical aspects of Ishmael. I guess those are the parts that got your attention the most. The Book is not about a new way to look at the Bible. .If you really want to se e beyond the biblical stories and see what Hid message is(without the chance of you closing your mind) I suggest you read "The Story of B".. It attacks Salvationist religions in a way, but does not condemn them. Actually, it does not attack them, It just shows how they reinforce Mother cultures Whispers. Many Christians got all upset over the Story of B, and I know some that lost their faith over it..(Its not the tragedy you make it out to be.. to me at least. Heaven and hell exists for you, and you would be hard pressed to prove them to me....)
But it seems like you have strong faith and would not be upset by the book.
And Maybe, just maybe you will see beyond the religious themes and see the message..
I had much more to say, but realized that I was not prepared to say what I wanted to say, as our disagreements have deep philosophical origins...And I didn't want to "flame" you, as that would not be my way of doing things..
I just couldn't figure out ho0w to say what I wanted to.
i do submit for you that DQ has a decent amount of knowledge concerning the bible.. Probably more than most and more than you think.. Did you know that for a while he was on his way to becoming a Monk. .. I assume he studied the bible during those times a nd while in the monastery.
Of course he Left much of the biblical stories and messages out.. Ishmael is not about the bible... And he may very well mold it to his views.. That's his opinion and he seems to be just putting forward a theory.. Maybe if you can loosen up your chains of faith, you can look at what he is saying with critical analysis. look at it through scholars eyes.. You say he did not study the bible close enough.. I say you did not read Ishmael close enough. Again I suggest "The Story of B" before you judge what he h as to say....
If not, then you are guilty of the same charge you give him..
May you find you way in whatever you pursue.
God or Gorilla

Please write back if you want to..Feel free to e-mail me.. Maybe we can get soe dicussion going. maybe it will be more coherent than my rambling post(long Thanksgiving dinner..Stiffed to the brim and "out of it" so to speak..:-)


Kurt Finguerra <>
Bend, Or USA - Thursday, November 27, 1997 at 21:33:40 (PST)
I was very disappointed with the book Ishmael. I had heard such raving reviews from a number of other people, and decided to read the book for myself. What I discovered was a book written without a clear understanding of the topics that it purported to be about. Especially the information taken from the Bible. It is apparent to me that the author did not study his Bible very much, because he has missed half the story. He attempts to take only part of the story and make it fit his views, and it makes se nse to someone who hasn't studied any more of the Bible than he has, but the story leaves out what relationship we have with the supernatural world, the growing evidence supporting creation, and refuting evolution, archiological evidence to show the liter al evidence in Genesis, proficies and visions that people have experienced, and for us, personally - how miracles fit in with all of this. I have personally witnessed supernatural occurances, and had miracles occur in my life.

But Ishmael is based on a belief that those things aren't real, and that man is simply an evolved animal, the Bible only a symbolic recounting of an evolved history of mankind. Ishmael doesn't give people an answer for the future, based on reality, only o n wishful thinking. And the fact that this book is being used in schools throughout the United States alarms me, because it will not bring about the change that is needed to save the world. It will only sever people from the true source of help.

My personal beliefs about God is that he is a real, literal God, with rules designed for our good and the good of all the earth, but man has fallen because of real temptations from a literal devil. I also believe that God has not given us the world, He ha s placed us as stewards of His world. It belongs to Him, and He will hold us accountable as to how we used it, how we preserved it. Every thing in nature is a lesson book from God. When we destroy it, we are destroying lessons that He wanted us to have. T hrough nature he teaches us about the consequences of sin, and of the renewal of salvation. There is too much at stake for us to casually destroy what He has created. But the devil doesn't want us to learn those lessons, and he is striving to destroy what God has created. Greed, selfishness, self-righteousness, are driving men to destroy the earth. The battle between God and the devil is a real battle, not just a symbolic battle.

In the Bible, Jesus tells us to preach the gospel to all creatures. The gospel is showing Christs love to everyone, to sharing the truth that God is creator, and owner of all.

I would encourage everyone who reads the book Ishmael, to read the Bible, and discover for yourself the entire story that is presented in the Bible. Don't stop with the stories in Genesis, but read clear through, and study it out for yourself.

Ishmael isn't an answer for the world, if it separates people from the truth about God.

Linda Jones <>
Aurora, NE USA - Wednesday, November 26, 1997 at 20:34:08 (PST)
Ishmael- the read of a lifetime. As a 16 year old, doubts and questions have lingered in me as long as I can remember, and these doubts were verified by Ishmael. My look on life is now realistic, not "pessimistic" as many might consider me. Humans ar e mortal, and no matter how much life support and polartec fleece we protect ourselves with , underneath it all you and I are flesh and blood animals- smarter than others, but still flesh and blood.
Andy Angstman <>
Bethel, AK USA - Wednesday, November 26, 1997 at 19:58:44 (PST)
Reading Ishmael left me with more questions about society and our earth than answers. I just finished My Ishmael and now I feel that Ishmael's vision is complete. I now have a much stronger vision of how to save the world. Daniel Quinn is truely one o f the brightest revolutionaries in history
Eddie Dick <>
Hutchinson, KS USA - Wednesday, November 26, 1997 at 14:19:01 (PST)
Attention! Please read this!
I have just finished reading "My Ishmael", which took about three days due to excessive school work. My thoughts have been consumed with Quinn's theories (or should I say realities?) ever since I read the original "Ishmael". I want my real freedoms back, the ones granted to me by Mother Nature. I am having a hard time figuring out what to do about it though. I am urging people to read this but I want to do more. As Quinn said, this can not all happen overnight, but I want to influence a change as much as I can, not only for myself, but also for future generations. I need input and I would cherish any that anyone has to offer me.
Thank you.

Kevin Ryan Martin McNally <>
Platteville, WWI USA - Wednesday, November 26, 1997 at 09:40:34 (PST)
I've read AND shared all of DQ's books...I just finished My Ishmael...WOW!! I didn't think it could get better than Ishmael but it did! Bravo, Daniel! Please keep writing.
My daughter is 11 and we are reading it together, plus we are looking into 'unschooling' or Life Learning as we've named it so as not to refer to fish! This sequel makes the ideas graspable for my daughter and her peers and every word about our education al system hit home, hard. My instincts on this subject have been drowning in Mother Culture's voice for too long.

I recently began working in the public school system before pursuing it as a career. What I read in My has turned my focus in a whole new direction! I would love to learn from students and parents who 'unschool' to share ideas about opening up our comm unities to our children. I'd also like to refer to someones mention of learning with Daniel Quinn? Anyone know what that's in reference to?

We are making a difference already look at what we are doing with Daniel's ideas and information right here! Any plans for a GATHERING of pupils with an earnest desire to save the world!?

Does Daniel have email or should we just use the private option?

Thank you for reading all this, PLEASE, PLEASE stay in touch and keep sharing your copies with friends!

Laura Allen <>
Ocala, FL USA - Wednesday, November 26, 1997 at 07:44:07 (PST)
After several years of questioning what I was taught to be the "right" way, I left my mormon faith realizing that there was something out there I hadn't realized yet about God and my own spiritual potential. There is no one right way, that is certain. I am forever changed by this great work. I was assigned in my anthropology class to read it and although not a big reader, i read this in one day! It is everything I've ever secretly wondered about but have been too scared to say. Now I realize that our v ery survival depends on individuals like me speaking up and questioning our Taker tradition. I want every person I have ever met or ever will meet to read this book. ANY JOURNEY, NO MATTER HOW LONG OR HARD, BEGINS WITH THE FIRST STEP. TAKE THE FIRST STEP TODAY!
kim hoyer <>
monmouth, or USA - Tuesday, November 25, 1997 at 23:21:44 (PST)
I enjoyed both Ishmael and the Story of B, but I guess we enjoy those books that reflect our own, you know... paradigm.
Of the cultures I've read about, the purest (and oldest) surviving leaver culture is Aboriginal Australian as described in M.M.s Mutant Message Downunder and J.Lawlor Voices of The First Day. I don't think we can become leavers but do have faith that the biosphere can heasl itself. Not necssarily very kind to humans, or even including us.

Bryan Anastasio <>
Colbert, WA USA - Tuesday, November 25, 1997 at 19:22:14 (PST)
I just read Ishmael with a small group class in my school, and I know we'll be visiting here as a group soon- we have a lot of different opinions about Ishmael.

Hi, Ms. Appino& Gifted Co.!

Nikki <>
Palatine, IL USA - Tuesday, November 25, 1997 at 18:17:40 (PST)
If I don't understand all about Ishmael, what to do?
Denise Fiddes <GFiddes>
peoria, il USA - Tuesday, November 25, 1997 at 15:18:37 (PST)
delete me if you wish, but some of us don't have their own computers just yet (what with it being hard to garner assets when one doesn't care to participate fully in the never ending pursuit of material things) anyway i just dropped in through a librar y computer and found myself wondering how the struggle against mother culture was progressing - perhaps what materials could come my way could find my p o box - it was good enough for mr quinn should be good enough for me--thnx
DANBURY, NC USA - Tuesday, November 25, 1997 at 13:42:02 (PST)
This was an interactive book. It made me think about things I normally would not think about. Or the things that I do not think THIS extensively about. It is intriguing to know that someone out there has such vivid thoughts and the courage to print these thoughts. It is also intriguing to me that it was greeted with such warm response.
I would also like to point out that there are many more schools than are listed, that are studying this book. Many more...

Stephanie <>
Jackman, , ME USA - Tuesday, November 25, 1997 at 12:24:11 (PST)
We just finished reading Ishmael in K Jacobonson's Environmental Science Class at Illinois Central COllege. This is probably a book I would not have read if it had not been an assignment, but one that I am so glad I did read. I can't wait to read My Ishmael and "B".

This was certainly food for thought, and a percise way of expressing what needed to be said for a long time.

Jenny Sims Clark <>
Peoria, il USA - Tuesday, November 25, 1997 at 10:39:25 (PST)
It is lonely and discouraging to be born
knowing you were meant to be a Leaver in a
world full of Takers, and even harder to
feel unable to articulate the cause of the
loneliness. Reading Ishmael was a godsend, as
powerful an event as finding a long lost soul
mate. I've spent my entire career promoting
technologies and ways of life that are compatible with the
Leaver approach (solar energy), and
pray to the gods that my tiny contribution
will make the slightest difference.

Anne <>
Silver Spring, MD USA - Monday, November 24, 1997 at 19:18:51 (PST)
We loved Ishmael, and the Story of B. We are deep into My Ishmael. We are recommending Quinn's books to anyone who is breathing. Regards.
Ed and Kathleen Fauvre <>
San Jose, CA USA - Monday, November 24, 1997 at 18:26:02 (PST)
Just finished Ishmael: it says everything I (a biological anthropologist) have ever tried to say. For those of you who doubt "saving" the world, it is only because you too are intensely gripped by Mother Culture, who won't let you go. To better underst and how the Takers HAVE COME TO BE in an evolutionary sense, I highly recommend "Demonic Males" by Wrangham, et al. Reading this will help you in answering "what to do?"...
micah <>
San Marcos, CA USA - Monday, November 24, 1997 at 13:12:40 (PST)
So many times have my actions led me to a situation where I was without words to simply explain my thoughts. Now, after having read Ishmael and B and zooming through My, I am once again asking that my friends read these books to have a better understa nding of where I'm coming from.
As A.S. Neill, my old headmaster from Summerhill in England once said. Childhood is for playing and learning what is desired. Schooling is merely placing old heads on young shoulders. Thanks DQ for a great glimpse of what can be.

Ken Casarez <>
Sacramento, CA USA - Monday, November 24, 1997 at 10:34:00 (PST)
Two quick questions: 1/ DQ, does Ishmael support any charities, or, perhaps, does DQ himself support any charities? If so, which ones? 2/ As a cultural study, and for the sakes of argument, can we call Ishmael et al, "science fiction"? It makes sense that we could call this sf, afterall Ishmael's view implies that "now" is wrong, and that is the heart of horror in any sf.
By the way, "now" IS wrong. (If this is the case then all of history becomes sf!?!)

Rob Niemi <>
oshawa, on Canada - Monday, November 24, 1997 at 09:47:53 (PST)
Share with us your ideas & comments! 9th grade civilization & literature class
Ms. Colleen Lepre <>
Branford, CTt USA - Monday, November 24, 1997 at 09:33:38 (PST)
I just finished reading My Ishmael and it was incredible. I use the first book in my Environmental Science class at
Illinois Central College. I had my students thinking and squirming a little by giving The Great Forgetting lecture on Thursday. I am interested in hearing from others who use this as a teaching tool. Are there any plans to have a gathering of people who have an ernest desire to save the world?

Kristin A. Jacobson <>
Washington, Illinois USA - Monday, November 24, 1997 at 07:15:55 (PST)
I left the corporate world and Chicago (two equally cold enviorments)
in pursuit of a warmer, more peacefull existence. I moved to Maui, HI to
begin a new life sans the hustle and bustle, and the WGN news reports.
Shortly thereafter I received a gift in the mail (The Story of B) from the
same person who had introduced me to Ishmael.
D.Q. has offered great insight into many of the questions that have plagued
me for quite some time, i.e. why does the world seem to be spinning wildly out
of control, yet most people don't realize it (thank you Mother Culture, and why
with every passing year of my life, does it get harder and harder to make a left turn?
Thanks D.Q., and thanks Kuma Kula.

David Hart <>
Maui, HI USA - Sunday, November 23, 1997 at 17:38:47 (PST)
An excellent book that hits on several types of preconceptions of humans, and simply points out the consequences. I am going around telling everyone I know to read this book -- and I will use it in my classes.
Robert M. Seltzer <>
Albany, NY USA - Sunday, November 23, 1997 at 16:58:47 (PST)
In 1992 my professor discussed a book he had recently read called Ishmael. I was heading for a fishng trip and thought I'd give it a try for a boat read. I could not put it down! After I got home I bought 10 copies and handed them to ten friends, who have done much the same. I just returned from a convention where I read My Ishmael. I'm getting another ten copies!
Jerry Clemens <>
Vernon Hills, IL USA - Sunday, November 23, 1997 at 15:47:05 (PST)
I just want to say that your books have been an inspiration to me.
Brian Rothbart <>
Booton twp., NJ USA - Sunday, November 23, 1997 at 15:44:46 (PST)
Just finished the first book. My first reaction was "duh". I guess I am just too cynical. This all seems like a lot of words to say some very obvious things. I do plan to read all of the books, as I have lots of questions.

gretchen Vanek <>
Pocatello, ID USA - Sunday, November 23, 1997 at 12:57:21 (PST)
I'm very happy to see that there is not only a website but an organisation that has sprung up around this wonderful book. But isn't a website a taker kind of entity? Or is it ok for leavers since it's on someone else's server.
Daniel Burstyn <>
Kibbutz Lotan, ISRAEL - Sunday, November 23, 1997 at 11:39:08 (PST)
I read 'Ishmael' in Korean edition,
Save the world... I hope so.
But can we save the world really?
Could be.

Changwon, Suh <>
Seoul, Korea - Sunday, November 23, 1997 at 03:57:16 (PST)
thanks for the views on the world you are right on the mark.
Amazing to see that i am not alone in this believe .
I will search out the ishmael books to learn more about it.

kenneth a ishmael <>
santee, ca USA - Saturday, November 22, 1997 at 15:51:09 (PST)
Mr Quinn,

I loved Ishmael and just finished "B". Thanks for putting words to so many of my thoughts and also for giving me so much more to think about. I can't wait to start "My Ishmael"

Chas Silveria

Charles Silveria <Verbal>
Tamarac, FL USA - Saturday, November 22, 1997 at 15:08:22 (PST)
Mr. Quinn,

I have just finished a short research paper outlining part of your message and I am anxious to see what comments I may recieve on it. After reading your books, except for My Ishmael, I have become very excited. Your message has put into words how I hav e felt most of my life and so much more. I have passed Ishmael on to a friend and am continualy talking to others. I am a 25 year old with a 5 month old son. My wife and I are looking forward to discussing your ideas with him and, knowing how kids are, ha ve become curious as to what questions and comments he may have. I will be purchasing your new book after this school semester is over so that I may have time to read it.
Thank you,

Carl E. Benoit

Carl E. Benoit <>
Reno, NV USA - Saturday, November 22, 1997 at 11:23:02 (PST)
This summer while treeplanting, I was haveing a deep conversation with a young lady about how man doesn't seem to control his population but controls and destroys all other species populations. I asked her a question that she could not really answer "w ho's to say that man has control over the whole world?" her only reply was "have you ever heard of the book Ishmael by Daniel Quinn? If not you must read it".

I hadn't considered the recommendation until 4 month's later when i had heard back from her.

My expectations were great and the results were a hundred time greater. This book is one of those books you don't just think about, you have that inner feeling that tells you to act on it.

Now that i am back at my natural resourses college, this is a great place to express my thoughts on this book and what i can do on a small scale to start. I have TOLD my roomates to read it and i think they will gladly do so. I know they will enjoy it and pass it on to someone.

Over population is something that really troubles me. Whether it be when i return home and find more areas under development or hearing that the population is rising without a end in site. It may not be nice to say but we need to do SOMETHING to keep man under control.

This book was awesome and it has hightened my awreness yet again.

I am ready to stop procrastinating. I want to help! Please send ideas.

Thank you Daniel Quinn!

tsunami <>
lindsay, canada - Saturday, November 22, 1997 at 11:18:47 (PST)
I don't watch the news anymore because it is overwhelmingly sad and I feel so helpless. For the sake of sanity I haven't been thinking about what is happening. The day I finished reading Ishmael I happened to watch part of a PBS program on the capture of whales for the entertainment industry. I couldn't finish the show. I don't have anything brilliant to contribute at this point because I am locked in the same jail everyone else is in, but I would appreciate help or an opportunity.
Judy Cadle <>
Danville, IL USA - Saturday, November 22, 1997 at 09:25:36 (PST)
I am so happy to hear about the opportunities to come and study with you as enhances the mindset needed for the social action I hope it will connect to. I am glad as well to see the website development, especially for those who can't get to Houston. Yu p, we're working on it, as Jennifer James says, all we need for a 21st century is a 21st century mind!
Thank you Daniel Quinn for shinning a light on our path.

Marcia L. Stuart <>
Martinez, CA USA - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 23:27:49 (PST)
i just rec'd ishmael "update" & found this place on the net. 2 yrs ago i passed my ISHMAEL book on to another person & asked her to pass it on to another person; so i "lost" my book. i need to read it again. and i didn't know there are TWO MORE!! books by D.Q. i'm going to my local bookstore to get all 3, & this time i will keep my books; these are the kind of books to keep & read & re-read. i admire a mind like D.Q.'s, which can make such a concept so appealing & interesting that even so-called "red -neck hunter-types" would read & learn from his books. however, usually i feel that the world will never recover from it's over- population of humans. look at all the new research & successes re: infertility, & a few days ago, a woman gave birth to SEVEN babies! i just can't believe that this is the way to go to help our world to survive.
kathleen <>
port angeles, wa USA - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 18:57:33 (PST)
I never thought a book could be soooooo good (Ishmael). It is amazing that the ideas make so much sense---A real eye-opener.
Aaron Fields <>
Lake Oswego , OR USA - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 18:31:30 (PST)
I was very happy to see such an extensive list of schools across the U.S. that are utilizing this wonderful book. I can only hope that the list grows by leaps and bounds. This has become my most highly recommended book taking over from Heiland by Fra nklin Sanders.
Michael Maddux <>
St. George's, Bermuda - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 16:54:51 (PST)
I just finished My Ishmael and I must say that, disregarding the groundbreaking new ideas set forth in Ishmael as the first book, I did enjoy My Ishmael more and think it is a better book with respect to the message it conveys. I loved Ishmael and hav e reccomended it to everyone I have seen, and I also read The Story of B, but while Ishmael made me want to do something, My Ishmael showed me how. Disregardless of my favorite of the three books, I want to thank Daniel Quinn for illuminating the possibi lities which I hadn't seen until I picked up Ishmael.
Paul Smaldino <>
Port Washington, NY USA - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 15:29:45 (PST)
I regret to say that this is only about the fourth time that I have visited this site. I had all my interest in I would love to say that the messages here are fabulous, its SO inspiring to read so many comments from so many people who s eem to be as effected by Daniel Quinns books as I was.
Thank You

Mel <>
Boston, MA USA - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 13:55:21 (PST)
luv dem books

Luke VanBelleghem
arlington, va USA - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 11:39:00 (PST)
MR. Quinn,

Jason Fremstad <>
Oakwood, GA USA - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 09:00:18 (PST)
I am sorry that I don't have an e-mail account at which to be contacted, but if you really would like to find me, I'm sure that you'll find a way.
Possession. It all comes back to an attitude that we in fact can possess anything we desire - whether it be food or knowledge or even control.
I am in search of those willing to release their supposed control in this world. Together we can show the rest how to live in a way that works.

Scoot Jones
Lincoln, Ne USA - Friday, November 21, 1997 at 06:05:20 (PST)
This is another message I received from the same person who sent me the last message:

I've always been pleased to remember that Al Gore wrote a book about ecology. Irregardless of whatever campaign-financing improprieties
are exploited by his adversaries, I am convinced that, barring any unforseen difficulties, he will be the next Prez. Can you imagine the possibilities? At a town hall meeting, for example, you or I might
stand up and say "Now, Al, in your book you spoke against this in the following passage..... why is your administration even considering the approval of such and such?"

Despite being a professional college student for a number of years, I know little about how professors publicize successful, popular, or important new courses. However it works, I hope you're doing it.

My Answer:

I agree that EARTH IN THE BALANCE is a well-written book. Unfortunately,
many people have not read it and therefore have no idea what really goes
on. The only way to change anything is for eveyone to have this kind of
knowledge, and I don't think that there are enough of us who do.

The only way for people to become aware is to read -- and ISHMAEL is the best place to start. There is no other book that I have ever read that could even begin to compare.


Danielle Calo <>
Troy, NY USA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 23:35:06 (PST)
A friend handed me a book once, after a midnight conversation about religion, the earth, and the "meaning of life." I looked at it's bent pages and creased binding with speculation.

"Ishmael? What is this?" I asked.

"A book about a gorilla," he said, laughing. "Read it, I think that you'll like it."

I took it, and began reading. I had no idea how quickly my thoughts, words, actions, and beliefs would be changed.

In amazingly clear, ordinary prose, Daniel Quinn has woven an extraordinary tale. A tale more astoundingly, earth-skakingly true than any other I have discovered before or since. My life has been permanently altered by Ishmael, B, and the circle of trut h that surrounds them.

I hold serious respect for Mr. Quinn--he is a brilliant and courageous writer, philosopher, and human being. His work is at the absolute top of my list of favorite books, and I have never been disappointed with any of his novels.

Thank you to Mr. Quinn for changing my outlook on the world (how dramatic that sounds, though it is true). And thanks to Jesse for lending me his copy of Ishmael in the first place.

Kate Merena <>
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 19:20:14 (PST)
Thank you.
Kristen Deitrick <>
athens, oh USA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 11:57:06 (PST)
Glad to see the influence that Ishmael has had in the educational community. Works nicely with other positive approaches which start from where we're at (where else can we start from?) and incrementally work toward what is better.
Erik L Erickson <>
Canton, MN USA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 07:13:57 (PST)
Fascinating reading. Moreso the second reading than the first.

Brian K. Pierce <>
Ventura, IA USA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 05:56:10 (PST)
i think Ishmael is a really interesting story. the book really amde me think about what is reality and what is in fact myth.
Nikimah Williams <>
albany, ny USA - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 15:45:16 (PST)
This Aint No Fluff!!!
If many of you have not read The Story of B, and My Ishmael(which was just released and as full as it can be with Ideas on how to actually change minds, and Ideas on why minds actually need to be changed) READ THEM!!!!
If you would like to send me private mail and discuss, I am always intereted and will always respond. :) :)

Mel <>
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 13:37:52 (PST)
People frequently ask "what can or should I do?". For me, the answers flow from an understanding and acceptance of Ishmael's illumination of the basis of the Taker and Leaver stories: The premise of the Taker story is the world belongs to man, The pre mise of the Leaver story is man belongs to the world. Once you see this difference, the way you live your life becomes the action.
Gordon MacKenzie <>
Kettering, OH USA - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 11:53:22 (PST)
I have twenty-five or so pages left to complete "Ishmael". It has not yet become clear to me how or to what extent its concepts will change my life. It is clear, however, that in some way they will or maybe have. I'm anxious to communicate with othe rs about serious life applications of the ideas.
Joel Nelson <>
Louisville, KY USA - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 11:26:34 (PST)
Hello, Joel Michelski has comented on the messeges presented in Ishmael as the same old new age fluff. Many people view The message in DQ's books as totaly new. If what they are seeing iss just re-hashed fluff, I'm sure they'd like to know--I sure w ould. So my invitation is this; Can you elaborate on your critique of Ishmael and the ideas therin?
Keep talking!

Brian Barth <>
Saskatoon, SK Canada - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 10:20:11 (PST)
My mother gave me Ishmael simply because I needed a book to read. I read it and told my friends that they should probably read it too. My friends even made a waiting list to read my copy of it. Now, someone who is a friend of a friend of a friend is pr obably reading it somewhere, and I don't think my mom will ever get her book back because someone will always be reading it. My dad now wants to read it too, so I guess I'll get another one, but I'm glad that probably over thirty people have already read my copy alone, and the numbers still going.
Brannon <>
Danville, VA USA - Wednesday, November 19, 1997 at 07:42:44 (PST)
The book had a profound impact on me.
I would like to definitely make a contribution to "saving the world" What can I do?

Tina Nolet <>
Vancouver, BC Canada - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 at 16:53:46 (PST)
I loved all three of the Ishmael books -- I will be suggesting others to read them.

I believe that we can change our lifestyle, and that it WON'T be painfull. When I talk to my mom about the topics discussed in Ishmael and TSoB, I can just tell how much longer Mother Culture has been whispering in her ear -- she says "I totally agree wi th all these ideas, but I don't know how they'd work, or if people would let them" -- a position of nervous solidity.

When you ask yourself (after reading the books), what can be done, just remember that there IS NO ONE RIGHT WAY. What will work will have to be what works for YOU. If that works for more than one person, great. I think we're scared to break away from our culture -- one thath doesn't even give us what we need -- so quickly. It doesn't have to be an overnight change.

I'll leave more room to those with better words, but if anyone has any questions or comments, please write! Thank you for such wonderful books.

Stuart Larson <>
Mankato, MN USA - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 at 14:47:58 (PST)
I read Ishmael, I thought it was a borish, oversimplified hash of ideas. I haven't recommended it to anybody, other than to say it's the same old new age fluf with zero substance.
Joel Michalski <>
Annapolis, MD USA - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 at 11:57:28 (PST)
We live within the boundries of this world and have not been living in the ways that it dictates. We must use this gift of consciousness that we posess to be not the destroyers of this home but the protectors. Our destiny demands it.
Mike Bohner and Adam J. Pitt <>
East Lansing, MI USA - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 21:03:21 (PST)
Ishmael has greatly affected the way I view the world and the life I lead.I strive to live as a Leaver, in a Taker world.
I have offered my copy of Ishmael to 3 friends, and they have all been impacted by the message. We discuss it every time we talk.Thank you.

Suzannah <>
Long Beach, NC USA - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 16:35:41 (PST)
Reading the FAQs about Quinn's work, where people frequently ask things along the lines of "Well, if this is what you think, does that mean you think this or that is wrong?"
I was reminded of a scene from Monty Python's *The Life of Brian*:
Brian: "Look, you have to learn to think for yourselves! You're all different!"
Brian: "You're all individuals!"
Anonymous man: "I'm not."
Crowd: "SHHH!"
In any case, people have to stop picking with the specifics of this message that by nature, precludes judgments on individual issues. There is no one right way.

Solvei Blue <>
USA - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 15:51:13 (PST)
This is an e-mail I received in responce to my previous posting:

A course described as Economy-Ecology-Ethics as you did in your Ishmael community listing certainly sounds like a great - and needed -
combination. Wouldn't it be nice if every student had access to such a course?

My Response:

The Economy-Ecology-Ethics course here at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is an extremely interesting and worthwhile course that makes you think about what is happening to the environment, as well as how to deal with it ethically and economically. Person ally, I think that everyone should have access to such a quality course.

However, since not everyone does have access to this kind of class, I would suggest that everyone should read the three main books that we read : ISHMAEL (by Daniel Quinn), ECOTOPIA : A NOVEL (by Ernest Callenbach), and EARTH IN THE BALANCE : ECOLOGY AND THE HUMAN SPIRIT (by Al Gore). ISHMAEL and ECOTOPIA (both fiction) don't lecture you -- they make you think. And both have had a great impact on the way I view things. EARTH IN THE BALANCE is more factual - throwing data and statistics at you for absorpti on. Although it isn't the same kind of book as the other two, I would still suggest reading it.

ISHMAEL, however, was definately my favorite!

Danielle Calo <>
Troy, NY USA - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 13:46:12 (PST)
i just finished reading "my ishmael" and unfo
rtunately i assume that noone will really take to heart the message. yes of course some of us will declare what a fascinating book
and it changed my life but thats where it ends . we need solutions and we need them now. so please dont just sit there. read
chapter "revolutionaries" again and again and again and then read it again until you do something. please! then get in contact and support anyone and everyone who can make this new community work. sorry if that sounds like a rally cry but its easy to ju st sit and never accomplish anything and still proclaim to understand and believe. but that save the world.

aaron heil <>
columbia, mo USA - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 09:00:52 (PST)
Wonderful, stimulating, powerful, sad, hopefull, call to awareness...
Barbara <>
Alamo, CA USA - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 08:38:26 (PST)
Wow! I'm in the middle of My Ishmael (page 160) and HAD to get up out of bed to post. I've sent e-mails off to homeschooling friends telling them they MUST read this book to hear Quinn's ideas about how our educational system "fits" with Mother Culture . I AM the kind of homeschooler Quinn talks about in the chapter "Unschooling the World." I AM an unschooling parent--and there are lots more of us!!! PLEASE, if this idea intrigues you at all, read something by John Holt. (Learning All The Time is one title.) There is also a magazine started by Holt called Growing Without Schooling which is all about the unschooling way of life. It is NOT impossible--it is VERY real and do-able and fun and not particularly difficult! Try a web search on "unschooling" --you'll come up with many interesting hits. I think this is an important part of Quinn's message. I'm willing to answer questions about unschooling, how it works, why we like it, etc.
Leslie Moyer <>
Skiatook, OK USA - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 22:21:56 (PST)
I picked up Ishmael because i liked the cover lucky for me. I read it and it was so absolutly refreshing... and wonderful to find that i am not alone... that others(at least DQ) feel the way i do. I had an ineffiatableness within me, Quinn put it int o words. I am thankful. I recommend everyone Ishmael to everyone who can read.
ibuna <>
San Antonio, TX USA - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 16:32:13 (PST)
Ishmael forced me to look at things I encounter everyday in a whole new way. i read the book as an optional assignment in Anthropology, and have strongly recommended it to all of my friends.
Heather Leonard <>
morgantown, wv USA - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 11:46:29 (PST)
I have read both Ishmael & The Story of B. I have also browsed through the entries on the Guest Book page. Speaking of our culture, as it is today, I do not think that Ishmael intended for us to try to put the technological genie back in the bottle. An impossible endeavor, in any case. Rather, I feel that he is encouraging a change in the global mind set. Not only was the world not created for humans alone, nor were we created to rule this world, the plain fact is that we are an integral part of creati on. All creation. Everywhere. When we damage anything we naturally damage ourselves. It does not follow that we cannot use the world. It does mean that we must understand that the world is entitled to use us as well.
Betsy Gottfried <>
Westwood, MA USA - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 11:07:50 (PST)
As a High School Senior I was to read the book Ishmael. I first opened it and was confused abou the whole gorilla thing and found it quite odd. But as I read it the book made sense and everything in it can be connected to real life and the fears I ha ve about our earth as I grow up and for my future children. We need to do something about this but it will take many. I'm going to go back and read thisbook for myself, not for school, tolearn and take in as much about it as I can and will read The Stor y of B and My Ishmael. After reading this book I'd recommend watching Walkabout and try and make the connections about who are the leavers and who are the takers, it is pretty evident and how they interact.
Good luck to all

Brandon Thomas <>
Crystal Lake, IL USA - Saturday, November 15, 1997 at 09:38:02 (PST)
It will take many generations to make the radical changes indicated by the worldview expressed in the wonderful Ishmael books. One hopeful sign is the growth of the Green movement internationally. Organized Green movements exist in almost 80 countries already, and the number is growing year by year. Green political parties have gotten representatives elected to parliaments in many countries in Europe, Asia, and Africa. There are Green parties forming in many states in the U.S. -- almost a hundred tho usand people have registered with the Green Party of California. Here is one answer (among many) to the question: "What is to be done?"

Steve Welzer <>
East Windsor, NJ USA - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 22:19:25 (PST)
The book Ishmael mad me feel like a bad person. I have to finish it tonight for homework and it really lowers my selfasteam to resd this book. On the positive note this book also makes me think. The person who wrote this interesting book must have had a lot on his mind.
Lisa Taylor <LTTaylo921>
Highland Park, IL USA - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 21:05:33 (PST)
Enjoyed Ismael very much. Went on to read Providence. Now I will start The story Of B. Im looking Forward to My Ishmael.Ill pass these books on to family and freinds.Its only a small controbution but a start.
Suzanne dos Passos <>
San Marcos, Ca. USA - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 15:13:18 (PST)
i love your web page. i can't wait to read your new book.


Erik Munn <>
Norway, ME USA - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 12:00:45 (PST)
What can one say? All I've read from DQ has been both powerful and provocative. I hope all you readers ( a title I've long tried to distance myself from until a friend psych'ed me ( or I prefer tricked ) into it) find it the same. Personnally, now I can't stop and I truly hope none of you stop with just this one book.

mark <>
lawrenceville, ga USA - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 01:20:44 (PST)
The book was life changing. What a truelly great story. If all humans had to read a book by law it should not be the Bible, The Koran, The Kama Sutra; it should be Ishmael.
Daniel Snyder <>
Eugene, Or. USA - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 16:28:19 (PST)
Greetings and Well Met! I have just finished Ismael and have yet to take on My Ishmael or The Story of B, but i must say i was very interested in what the book had to say. Fortunately, my own world view has been leaning in the direction for quite some time...

Scott Snyder <>
Baltimore, MD USA - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 10:08:46 (PST)
I just finished "My Ishmael" and am already planning to read it again -- get it! Ishmael's thoughts on street gangs and cults dovetailed nicely with some of mine though they, and his musings about the educational system, are likely to stir things up a bit. I really enjoyed the connections to topical issues and the attempt to answer "what do we do?" which so troubled many Ishmael readers.
Paul Bame <>
Fort Collins, CO USA - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 21:27:44 (PST)
Both my 14 year old son & I have read Ishmael over the last two weeks and enjoyed it very much. Ishmael points out what should be patently obvious but due to the success of our hypnotic programming it has to be shown to us. Congratulations DQ, on an im portant story well told.

Mae McKenna

Mae McKenna <>
London, UK - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 18:24:30 (PST)
No message at this time. Just a new reader. Started Story of B today and saw the web address in the back of the book.


Ron Russo <>
Greensboro, NC USA - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 15:38:52 (PST)
I apologize for being so slow to respond, never the less, I felt strongly that the post from Doug (below) needs to be adressed.

Your use of the term "realistic" reminds me of the US satalite which, among other things was supposed to be monitoring strataspheric ozone levels when a teem of British scientists in Antarctica first dicovered the ozone hole over the icy continent. The sa talite had not detected the hole because it had been programed to ignore readings outside of parameters that its programers considered the norm. For the satalite, that was realistic. I fear that the realistic options you refer to, likewise, fit into the narrow programs of our anthropocentric "taker" paradigm.

I also contend that, since the underlying premises of leaver and taker cultures are the antithesis of each other, that the synthesis you suggest is not possible. It is understanable to wish to cling to the familiar, children of abusive parents often prefe r to remain with and defend their natural parents in spite of offers of a safer environment. But we cannot have our cake and eat it too.

I believe you seriously missed or are not ready for the point of DQs stories. The world will not be saved by a kinder and gentler anthropocentric taker culture, it will be saved by a new paradigm. The founders of our present cultural storie, did not have a plan or blueprint for the completed industrialized planet. They gave us only a direction, and we, in turn, gave it momentum.

Actually, the solution we seek is much simpler than any plan, for the solution is in the commitment. Indeed the solution IS the commitment. And the commitment will come from simply rejecting our human centered ideals and relearning what ancient culture s ( the watchers of the Earth) and modern science (new watchers of the earth) tell us; that we are not seperate from, above or immune to the natural world, natural laws or one another.

It is easy to discriminate, to hurt and destroy another when the other is separate from the self. But when we recognize and respect the web of life, the dersire to dominate it desolves. It becomes apparent that it is wrong and unnecessary to exploit, and that our lives will be, and can only be filled in harmony with the world in which we belong. In other words, we would'nt want, or feel the need for all the the plastic crap that we now believe is the nervana of comsumerism.

Now this might not fit into our present definition fo "realistic", but I suggest we try it on for a while and see it the prescrition doesn't cure the disease. Mother culture will always be waiting for you if you choose to return.

And, as for "teaching the curious WHEN THEY ASK", I'm afraid the current situation is too dire for that luxury. Yes, people will react negatively, people also react negatively when told they have cancer but they eventualy come to acceptance. To veil the truth is empowering a state of denial and a disservice to reality. Denying bad news will not make it go away.

Besides, what is offered here is good news, we can save the world and it won't hurt. In fact it can feel real good.

Jim Demko <>
Petersburg, AK USA - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 15:27:41 (PST)
Your books have changed my life. I appreciate you and thank you from deep within my heart.
Julie Booth <>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 08:22:14 (PST)
I only fear that I may be or become another of Ishmael's failures.
Reid Kaufmann <>
New Paris, IN USA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 19:23:31 (PST)
Hi all --

Many have been asking about this thing called "The Ishmael Update" and finally I am responding! "The Ishmael Update" is an occasionally produced newsletter from the Quinns, sent to people who contacted them via regular mail over the past few years. This p ractice has been made obsolete by the websites, and so this 1997 version of "The Ishmael Update" is likely to be the last.

Anyway, I have converted the entire thing to html and made it available here...



Alan Thornhill <>
Houston, TX USA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 18:39:02 (PST)
I just read Ishmael in a day. I will probably wind up re-reading it and spending more time pondering what's in the book. I felt it was very good, and not only from a philosophical point of view. I thought that it was just a great book for reading, some thing I should have read in high school to fufill those page requirements instead of going through the entire collection of Kurt Vonnegut's books (His newest, Timequake, is also an excellent book if you like his style). One last observation - the philosop hy of "Live and let live" demonstrated in this book almost seems to match the messages of the Liberaterian Party... and it seems the reason that party grows in strength is because more and more intelligent people are finding them make more sense... perhap s a victory for Ishmael as well?
Brian <>
Newark, DE USA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 17:12:56 (PST)
It has become a family matter to discuss Ismael!
Lars Oesterblom <lars@oesterblom>
Strangnas, Sweden - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 13:26:33 (PST)
I have really enjoyed this book thus far, although I still have three chapters to read in it. This is a very easy to read, intriguing book; I would definitely recommend it to other readers. My big problem is that I have to choose one excerpt from this book and write a sociological perspective on it, when there is such a wide range. I would be much appreciative of any help that one would offer. Thanks so much, from another Ishmael friend.
Christina Hines <>
Woodville, FL USA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 11:38:18 (PST)
This book invites me to a perspective view that has not been done before, truly prolounges my innerself about the beauty of the nature and human's reason of going on living. Truly an epic. ****
madison heights, mi USA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 05:56:15 (PST)
I have started to read the book and i think it is written in a very interesting view, from the gorilla, on humans.
Eric CK Wong <>
Hong Kong, China - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 00:03:43 (PST)
I am reading this book for my English class. This is a really helpful site.
Angel Chang <>
HK, China - Sunday, November 09, 1997 at 21:51:53 (PST)
I haven't read this book yet. I get on this site to check out more infos about this book before I read. This is a really good site. These infos are pretty complete. and the design is cool.
Alex Shyu <>
HK, China - Sunday, November 09, 1997 at 19:54:32 (PST)
Unfortunately, I don't think that abandoning Taker culture is a realistic option. Hope lies in modification or a synthesis of our two cultures. The way to save ourselves is leadership by example, and teaching the curious WHEN THEY ASK. The fastest w ay to lose potential converts is to shove a message down their throats that they aren't quite ready for.
I'd love to share some ideas

Doug <>
Oxford, MS USA - Sunday, November 09, 1997 at 08:21:52 (PST)
I have only read part of the book so far but it seems pretty
cool. I really want to know what others think of the book.

Natalie Koehrsen <>
Hong Kong, Hong Kong - Sunday, November 09, 1997 at 06:44:23 (PST)