The Ishmael Guestbook Archives: March 1998

I am an 18 year old high school student who has just finished reading Ismael and My Ishmael. I hvae to say that these books have changed every aspect of my outlook on life. It is my opinion that these books are some of the most important literature ever written, for they can teach mankind lessons that are vital for our survival.
Robert Dennis <>
Scottsdale, AZ USA - Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 22:11:38 (PST)
We can begin by changing ourselves and hope others will follow......
Diane and Wayne Gardner <>
Pomfret, ct USA - Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 19:32:10 (PST)
I just finished reading Ishmael--I am experiencing the "alienation" Ishmael described in regards to other human beings. It was really depressing, actually, until I checked out this website. Hope is provided by this site, like a very distant light at the end of a tunnel. I hope we keep the light within our sights: don't ever let it go once you've seen it. Don't forget Ishmael; his message may just be our salvation.

If we go on the way we are, what will happen to us? To our children? Our children's children?

I guess if no one really cares then we are doomed. Or if the attitude toward change is "what difference can just one person make?" then the future of humans is dim.

I have noticed much anger on both sides of the issues brought up in Ishmael. What would Ishmael say about this? What does anger solve? The answer is action. YOU can make a difference, don't doubt that. Teach others, the others who are willing to learn, what Ishmael taught you. Keep the light within our reach.

Kai Groenke <>
Bozeman, MT USA - Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 15:58:31 (PST)

Some people are looking for a discussion forum of Ishmael. May I suggest the following: Go to, then click on Chat, got to Books and Literature... Either create a private chat room; name it Ishmael or if one is already created type:
/goto Ishmael. All there would find fellowship. You'll will be sure to find some people there at all times.

I am a haiku poet and I would like to share this haiku with the group:

Echos of lost songs
Seashell's spirals uncurling
The whales' dying cries

Hope to see you there.

Ari J. Castano de Vera <>
Sacramento, CA USA - Tuesday, March 24, 1998 at 04:23:10 (PST)
I've been waiting for awhile to post on this site, I finished Ishmael about a week ago and I just wanted to see if the book would mean any less as time passed, and it hasn't, so have at it. I came upon this book through my devotion to Pearl Jam (as I suspect quite a few new arrivals here did also). In their last fan club newsletter, they said the book had been passed around during the recording sessions, and now they were passing it on to their fans. So I went to my local Barnes & Noble to hunt the book down, and started reading as soon as I got in the car. For the next three days, this book was my constant companion, as neccesary to my survival as breathing. When I finished, I wasn't quite sure how to feel. All through the book, I was hoping that I'd come to some simple answer that would somehow make me a better person. I thoroughly expected to somehow be dissapointed at the end.

I wasn't.

At one point in the book, Ishmael says something to the effect that at the end of the journey, the knowledge gained would alienate his pupil from the rest of society, in that he would hear Mother Culture's influence all around him, while everyone else would mindlessly keep marching to their end. Somehow, in the time since I've finished this book, I can't stop thinking about this. Everywhere I look, everyone I meet, everything I do, there it is. I never realised that in man's desire to get closer to God, man has made himself a God. There's a fellow that already posted here who if he wasn't trying to be sarcastic, pretty much sums up what I believe the enemy to be, ignorance. Everyone has an opinion, I suppose. Personally, mine is that I hope if the apocalypse does happen, it starts in his backyard. But he does support a point. This is what people believe. This is what I was taught to believe. But the important thing this book has done for me is I don't believe it anymore. That is what Ishmael has done for me. So what now? The book was passed on to me, so now I'm passing it on to anyone who is open-minded enough to accept it. The message is strong enough, just as long as it is believed, and never forgotten. Thank you.

Erik Hagen <>
Bismarck, ND USA - Monday, March 23, 1998 at 15:36:38 (PST)
In this life, life is the only teacher, and no one but life can teach us how to live our lives. It is probably hurting this thing we are all living, but youŽll see that life will find her way and will finally teach us how to live well and only as she wants, meanwhile all we have to do is try to learn and perhaps try to help others learn.

David Roldan <>
Mexico, Mexico - Monday, March 23, 1998 at 12:51:54 (PST)
I thought that this was the best book I ever read. Now that I am homeschooled i have allot more time to do the things i always wanted to do. We began our compost pile and are keeping up with it. I took a class in Native american culture and got another example of how everything revolves around something else, depends on something else. My mom got the cirriculum that goes with ISHMAEL and I do all my reports and research papers on them. I have a hard time trying to change the way we live, but in my house only me and my mom are vegetarians and care about what we do. The rest of my family thinks because I am 12 it doesn't matter. BUT IT DOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chelsea Marko <>
Bethany, Ct USA - Monday, March 23, 1998 at 09:13:21 (PST)
I just finished My Ishmael. DQ continues to provide great insights into human nature (or un-nature!) and our messd-up culture. I really loved this book and am glad to see that DQ's messages can be passed on to a younger audience.

Anyone who has read Ishmael and enjoyed it should read My Ishmael and The Stoy of B. I also urge everyone to visit the FuturePositive website and support the foundation.

Jane White <>
State College, PA USA - Monday, March 23, 1998 at 06:50:04 (PST)
VB <>
St. Louis, MO USA - Sunday, March 22, 1998 at 17:20:15 (PST)
ISHMAEL is a great, eye-opening novel. One of the best I've read in a long time. I picked it up because I was bored, but I couldn't put it down.
Kelly Windlinger <>
Houston, TX USA - Sunday, March 22, 1998 at 11:57:40 (PST)
I believe that many more people need to read this book. I do my part by attempting to describe the contents of the novel to those around me, I am trying to put the bug in everyone's ear.

I can hardly wait to start "MY ISHMAEL" this summer.

Carla <>
North Bay, OON CANADA - Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 20:29:39 (PST)
I mourn the passing of Ishmael. I checked this book out of the library on the afternoon that the power company shut off my electricity (on a Tuesday). Armed with a flashlight, I ensconsed myself in bed (under the covers, trying to keep warm) and read Ishmael. It took me 3 days to read it, I kept having to buy more batteries for the flashlight, but this whole situation seemed to me, symbolic. As if, in reverting to a somewhat primitive state, I was amongst the Leavers. When I finally got the money together, I almost didn't want to get the electricity back on, but being depressed about the ultimate demise of Ishmael, I did it anyway. This book was truly an emotional experience, not just because I care about what happened to the characters in the story, but also, because of the implications for the Taker Culture. I have recommended this book to several people already, I would like to make a recommendation here too: A Prayer For Owen Meany. This is an excellent book, about destiny.
Julia Ross <>
Louisville, KY USA - Saturday, March 21, 1998 at 01:35:10 (PST)
Being a optimist is hard to be these days, but Daniel Quinn has held a torch in the otherwise depressing blackness.

There is hope.

What is important? Can the revolution that he started be achieved? Are you prepared to get involved? Do you care? Is it too late?

There is hope.

It's time to get off the damn couch and find out what really exists in this world. It's time people cared for each other again. It's time to take care of Mother Culture. It's time we cared for our children. It's time to make a difference.

There is hope.

There is hope because people have been known to overcome long-standing odds. They have battled cancer and won. Man has walked the surface of the moon and yet can't walk on his own planet on a Saturday afternoon without seeing garbage alongside the road.

But, again, there is hope. And you are it. Your neighbor is it. Hope is in the poor, rich, man, woman, adult and child.

I know because I've seen it.

Thanks for taking the time to listen to my view-
Marc T.Wohosky
Cartoonist and a person who cares.

Marc T. Wohosky <>
Vancouver, WA USA - Friday, March 20, 1998 at 23:53:59 (PST)

"The expectation of the founders of FuturePositive was that most of those who make use of the websites would be interested in helping to fund it. Unfortunately, that hasn't proved to be the case so far."

That quote is from the Web site at It sounds like it's time to answer the question, "What can I do." Changing things is never free.

Jamie Myxter <>
Redmond, Wa USA - Friday, March 20, 1998 at 19:09:07 (PST)
... are you tired of reading that, only to find out that the book, www site, project, or whatever wasn't worth the time investment and could have better been spent on ANOTHER book/site/project, etc?

I hope to offer something DIFFERENT, something that will help ALL projects seeking to save the world, and will help all people who want to save the world find the one that they are able to do the most in.

Find out more at and i'll try to make it worth your while.

PS - also seeking submissions. If you have an essay/reference/book to recommend, write up a review and I will host it.

Coyote-ka <>
none (nomadic), USA - Friday, March 20, 1998 at 18:08:37 (PST)
I began to read this book as part of an extra credit project and was intrigued. I found it remarkable for several reasons. First, it didn't go out of its way to attack the reader's religious or politcal beliefs. It simply laid the facts before the reader and allowed him or her to ponder them. It didn't polarize, demonize, or sancify the issues. Nor was it condesending to the reader. Which leads to the second point; the tone of this book was pleasant, not trying to get me to convert like some television evangelist. It was quite nice to have such a powerfull book not yelling opinions in my face. This book has further compounded my interest in anthropology. I would like to thank Mr. Quinn for this remarkable work.
John Perkins <>
Newton, MA USA - Friday, March 20, 1998 at 16:29:28 (PST)
anyone in the wisconsin area that would like to get together and discuss actual actions to be taken in light of what people have learned from ishmael, please contact me. i am invovled in numerous environmnetal, animal rights, nature-spirituality, human rights, and anti-corperate groups.


wade <>
oshkosh, wi USA - Friday, March 20, 1998 at 07:46:19 (PST)
When I first read Ishmael I was completely fascinated by it. I'm an teacher of cultural anthropology and thought it would be a perfect book for my students. I very much agree with what the book said and recommended it to everyone, including my book group. What happened, though, was that most people did not like it and found it to be very preachy. I'm afraid the way the book is written is almost one that speaks to the choir and turns off those that could most benefit from it's information.
I started My Ishmael and can't quite figure out the purpose of writing two, possibly three books that all say essentially the same thing

Andrea <>
Loveland, CO USA - Friday, March 20, 1998 at 07:06:36 (PST)
I am a part of the new tribal revolution.
e-mail to discuss.

Roque Mauricio <>
Vancouver, WA USA - Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 21:15:06 (PST)
Ishmael turned out to be the greatest book I
have ever read. It is thought provoking,
insightful, and even suggests solutions for
a change.
I actually came into awareness of the book
from my favorite band, Pearl Jam. In the
writing and recording of the album Yield,
they drew a lot of influence from Ishmael,
and they have suggested to their fans to read
it. I answered their request and was very
glad I did.
I'm only 17, so any discussion on the ideas
from and drawn from the book have been
limited for me, but I have become more aware
and have incorporated these thoughts in some
of my assignments for school. Right now I
am writing a satire paper for Comp II, and I
hope a topic with a deeper meaning will
attract the interest of more people (like my
thank you

Tristan van Hoorebeke <>
Pontiac, IL USA - Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 14:48:28 (PST)
If you want to chat about Ishmael,or about saving the world,come on IRC(EFnet),in #ishmael.Hope to see you there.
Louis <>
Paquetville, NB Canada - Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 14:07:27 (PST)
I waited until I finished all the books
before visiting this site. I was a little
disappointed in the writings in the
guestbook - I thought I'd read more of a
discussion/dialog about what people were
doing to become more leaver, but perhaps
that's still a puzzlement to people. Well,
I'll begin by telling what I and my family
are doing. First, I recommend the books to
everyone I care about. Sometimes, multiple
times, until they read them because they are
tired of my persistence. We compost all our
garbage and put it back in the soil. We
grow our own vegetables. We help with our
community sponsored agriculture project (an
organic CSA) - we do our best to NOT support
the massive food production organizations.
We don't eat the processed foods that are
locked up in the grocery stores. I keep
worms in my basement and they do
vermicomposting. We don't buy things
advertisers tell us we need. We don't use
chemical cosmetics, cleaners or other
pollutants (lemon juice and vinegar work
great and so do baking soda and vinegar for
laundry). We don't rake leaves that fall
off trees - they fertilize the ground, and
over the winter, insects collect underneath
them to provide much needed food for birds
in the spring. Our lawn is probably the
only one in our neighborhood that the birds
FLOCK to for food, because they know it's
there. We use natural herbs for healing
instead of the chemicals and pharmaceuticals
out there. We are vegetarians. We coexist
with the insects, rodents, spiders and
others that live in our space with us. We
wouldn't dream of using a chemical to harm
them, or of squashing them. When an animal
comes to visit our space, we rejoice and
observe. We plant trees. We are teaching
our children what we know and how to live.
We are teaching others what we have learned.
We play music and sing and dance for
entertainment. It's a very simple
lifestyle, yet full of love. What are YOU
doing to put back into the world instead of
taking out? I'd love to hear about it.

Susan Brearley <>
Poughkeepsie, NYNY USA - Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 13:05:20 (PST)
I posted this on the Bnetwork, but perhaps it has more relevance here (re: Sharon B., Amy Lawrence)

In answer to the often asked question, "So now what do we DO?" Mohandas K. Gandhi may have an answer that is in accord with Quinn's vision.

Gandhi writes:
"Inequalities in intelligence and even opportunity will last till the end of time. A man living on the banks of a river has any day more opportunity of growing crops than one living in an arid desert. But if inequalities stare us in the face the essential equality too is not to be

"Every man has an equal right to the necessaries of life even as birds and beasts have. And since every right carries with it a corresponding duty and the corresponding remedy for resisting any attack upon it, it is merely a matter of finding out the corresponding duties and remedies to vindicate the elementary fundamental equality.

"The corresponding duty is to labour with my limbs and the corresponding remedy is to
non-co-operate with him who deprives me of the fruit of my labour. And if I would
recognize the fundamental equality, as I must, of the capitalist and the labourer, I must not aim at his destruction. I must strive for his conversion....

"Even if a single individual enforces this ideal in his life, he is bound to influence others."
(p. 396 The Essential Writings of M. Gandhi, Raghavan Iyer, ed.)

Does this in any way relate to our discussion of Takers and Leavers and how to peacefully
encourage the changing of worldviews?

Thanks for your time and thought.

Ted Wolf <>
Harrisburg, PA USA - Thursday, March 19, 1998 at 09:11:48 (PST)
Like Robert Pirsig's "Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" and "Lila", Daniel Quinn's "Ishmael", "The Story of B.", and "My Ishmael" prompted me to climb mountains that were higher than any others I had ventured up before. The view their peaks afford is magnificent and disturbingly enlightening. The expansion of awareness they enable is immediate and initially overwhelming. And the prospect of the spiritual transformation they encourage is uplifting and positively dizzying. For despite the sense of liberation and clarification such mountains can bring to those who climb them, the air at their summits is thin. Before too long I felt the need to descend back to where I started my ascent, that is, into the valley, where life is ultimately lived. My consolation is that I returned a different person, and even though I have no idea how, when, and to what extent that change will affect life in the valley, I know it will somehow, sometime, in some measure. Moreover, I plan to climb those mountains again, and hopefully others like it.
W. Van Galen <>
London, ON CANADA - Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 20:28:25 (PST)
i would like any information on pink ishmeal that you might have please send it to me at

thank you

johnny lee henderson <>
abilene, tx USA - Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 19:57:04 (PST)
We are The Welcomed Consensus, a group (13and growing) living in SF. We have been together 11 years. We make our living teaching courses in sensuality, communication and group living. We read Ishmael about a year ago, and were impressed. A little over a month ago someone gifted us with My Ishmael, half way through the book, we bought 5 more copies, and checked out all of the copies of My Ishmael and "B" out of the SF Library system, and have since given the copies away to our student/friends.
Finally, someone else is saying there ARE other ways to live.

Food was not the only thing that was locked up ten thousand years ago, in the Garden of Eden, women's sexuality was also. We live by women's desires, intuition, and thoughts, and we feel that through writing herstory, we are finding a better way

We are looking at land in Northern California to expand our community. If you are done with doing things the way they have always been done, we invite you to visit our web site, and post on our bulletin board.

RJ Testerman <>
SF, CA USA - Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 19:53:53 (PST)
So glad I found this sight. I read "Ishmael" several years ago...forgot the book itself but not the ideas presented. Just finished "My Ishmael" and was captivated again. I WANT TO DO SOMETHING, but as DQ says over and over...... anyway it just occured to me there is one way I and others and DO SOMETHING because of something I was just involved with. We can attend City Counsel meetings and other meetings of the type and keep an eye on the activities of our politicians. We just defeated an attempt to impose another layer of government on top of one that is working very well, but someone wanted more money and POWER!!! Let people know how you feel...if you speak up they just may listen. Other than that, read, pass the word about the books, then incorporate as many teachings into our own lives as possible...teach our children at home and hope it stays with them when they are away from home (like in public schools). Some of the comments I've read sound like some of us are feeling really guilty about "the white man" and what he's done. First of all, remember it isn't just the white man...all of us did it at one time or another. Also, you cannot fix the past by feeling guilty about what ancestors did.
That's not doing anybody including yourself any good. Be aware of how you live and be proud of the knowledge you now have-just try to use it or pass it along. As another group of people say - AS IT HARMS NONE, DO AS YOU WILL.

Sharon B. <>
Milwaukie, Or USA - Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 18:50:56 (PST)
Daniel Quinn's thoughts and writings are both inspiring and depressing. I have thought many of the same things that are expressed in his books, and am very troubled by the path our species is on. I am even more troubled at the fact that no one appears to recognize the gravity of our situation. But does anyone out there have any specific ideas for actions or solutions that can lead us to a sustainable and truthful way of life? I just don't see our culture as being capable of making the type of transition that Mr. Quinn seems to believe is necessary for humans to live sustainably.
Amy Lawrence <>
Seattle, WA USA - Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 18:38:13 (PST)
Intrigued but wary, that would discribe my
reaction to ISHMAEL. I loved the reframing
of the Bible stories- they seemed like a possibility. But like others who have written
to this site I wonder if "leaver" society
isn't painted in overly lush tones (maybe I'm overly cynical). Also there seems to a hint
of thoughtless cultishness growing around
these books. Makes me nervous. Still I plan on reading the other books as well as re-reading THE CALICE AND THE BLADE because
I do believe education (in the broadest sense) and discusion can lead to positive change.

Jean Lister <>
Emerald, WI USA - Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 17:31:34 (PST)
-------TIME TO CHANGE-------
The world is about to die.
Now thanks to Ishmael,more people are realising it.
I have an idea of my own to start a new civilization,which I call the New World Project(NWP).
For details,e-mail me.
I also support all other organisations.
Together,we CAN do it!

Louis <>
Paquetville, NB Canada - Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 16:50:50 (PST)
A fellow "Ishmaelian" from Vermont introduced me to this amazing gorilla; I am about to introduce him to "My Ishmael". I would truly love to change the world; I must start with reviewing my own actions of the past, and contemplate my future actions by first conquering my own nervous silence and lethargy; Ishmael give insight into solutions that have always been there.
Alan Rollins <>
Newfields, NH USA - Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 14:29:52 (PST)
Like many others I was moved by Ishmael. I have also read The Chalice and The Blade by Riane Eisler that was mentioned in Ishmael. Sometimes you read stuff that changes you so completely that you can't go back. I am currently reading When God Was A Woman by Merlin Stone. Both of these books offer a perspective on the past that is quite astounding, and yet not at all surprising. I realize it is difficult for people to embrace ideas they don't understand and, quite frankly, refuse to understand. What upsets me the most is that I am forced to live in the Taker culture with people who refuse to hear the message. What I am grateful for is that there are many others who think the same as me. Each time someone changes their mind it is step toward a better world.
The Meesh <>
Winnipeg, MB Canada - Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 12:11:48 (PST)
I read Ishmael last summer before taking my first course towards my Environmental Studies minor. I was pleased on the first day of class when we discussed many topics covered in the book. I'm reading the Story of B right now and can't put it down. Looking forward to reading My Ishmael. Anyone know when the paperback will be available?
Julie Phillips <>
Richmond, VA USA - Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 11:43:24 (PST)
It seems many of the postings are addressing racial issues. Many of the readers seem to be more concerned about placing blame on a specific group of people rather than seeking solutions. It is not to anyones benefit to spend time "casting stones". What caused the world to move toward the environmental and cultural extinction is a worldwide problem and requires worldwide solutions. We as a species must move past blaming each other and work toward unity of purpose.

Jo Kelly <>
constantine, mi USA - Wednesday, March 18, 1998 at 06:16:43 (PST)
When I learned of Ishmael, I was searching for something myself. Many of the items that he discussed were the exact things that I myself were thinking of. Ishmael helped put my life in perspective, resulting in a greater meaning to it.

It was said to spread the message of the book to a hundred people. 93 to go!

Steve French <>
Pine Grove, CA USA - Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 23:41:09 (PST)
I just finished reading My Ishmael. I am looking for people to connect with to discuss the issues in the book. In particular interest to me is the issue about the work we do and how we are disconnected from true wealth. I am interested in starting my own consulting business to help businesses move into a more truthful way of doing business. This would be a transition for employers and employees and also between businesses and their customers.
Debbie Dickerson <>
CT USA - Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 18:10:09 (PST)
I have just started reading Ishmael and I think it is one of the most interesting books that I have read. At my school, my social studies teacher started a new club, and has wisely called it "The Ishmael Society". In it, we discuss the book, among other things. I am sure we well have plenty of in depth and interesting conversations about Ishmael and the questions presented in the book. Bye now!
Cristina Cavicchia <>
slidell, LA USA - Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 16:03:46 (PST)
I have read Ishmael, Story of B, and just finished My Ishmael. These books have changed my life and my vision. With that, I do not feel I completely understand how we can change things fast enough to stop the carnage and I was hoping for some definitive answers in My Ishmael. Although they were not forthcoming, I continue to ponder the answers for myself and live my life at a different level than BI (before Ishmael). Thanks for your beautiful books!
Wanda Gray <>
Denver, CO USA - Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 14:29:59 (PST)

BRIDGE CITY BRIGDE CITY , LLLA USA - Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 08:14:26 (PST)
If people wanted to save the world first the
person have to changed the way of their
thinking.In order to do that people should
look at different culture around the world
and understand about how they live and how
long have their culture have surive vs. our
culture. Because the u.s. culture is only
about 200 year. and during this time the u.s.
culture have influence culture around the world
and destory their culture into nothing.

Tuyen Nguyen <L.W.Higgins>
Marrero, La USA - Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 08:00:58 (PST)
Ishmael was hard to read at times,for me,but I caught on after we explain it in my cultural pluralism class.I kinda thought it was a good book,and I learn alot from it.By understanding the problems of the world we face today,it's has to be dealt with today and not tomorrow.
Billy Johnson <L.W.Higgins computer>
Marrero, La. USA - Tuesday, March 17, 1998 at 07:54:32 (PST)
I had read Ishmael a few years ago and was still contemplating the impact on me. I mean I didn't quit my job or anything. But I found myself constantly thinking about the ideas, going to the library, checking it out and rereading it again and again. I just finished My Ishmael today and am feeling both affirmed and depressed. I am no different on the outside (my way of living), but my inside grows more discontented by the year. Maybe its just middle age. Trapped and afraid are my two feelings, and what about my child? I shall visit again after reading B. Thanks for the web site.
Tina Labash <>
Scottsdale, AZ USA - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 18:26:14 (PST)
Wonderful book. Expressed in words a lot of my thoughts and feelings. Sone of us farmers are actually hunter/gatherers and that is why some of us don't fit in.
Peter Deppisch < or>
Whitby, On Canada - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 15:24:58 (PST)
The sentiments in Ishmael inspired me to propose, as a new millennium's resolution, the adoption of a world pledge:
A Recognition of Unity
"I recognize a vital unity linking me with all humanity and humanity with all life, acknowledging that where none prevails over another, each may prosper and all may continue."
Visit for more information on this resolution/pledge.

Bill Sander <>
USA - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 14:56:27 (PST)
Rachel writes, " I wanted to know what gave the WHITE MAN the right to come and stral not only peoples their possession, but also steal their beliefs and impose some bogus belief system thats obvioulsy corrupt."
I a bit curious why are you singleling out the White Man. Did not the Monguls steal the possessions from the Slavic peoples? Did not the folowers of Mohammad force the conversion of many into their " bogus belief." Do not today, like Christians, believe that all who do not believe are evil? Did not not Chinese, Japanese, Arabians, Egyptions, Sumarians, Romans, Celtics, Germans, etc... all benefit from the sharing of Ideas? The key word is share. It is not call stealing.
You have mention the book confirm so many things for you. What were they, do you really believe that one race ( and or ethnic culture is the root and perfector of all the evil in the world?
I do have an email address, you may respond eitger way :-)

Craig D. <>
Metairie, La. USA - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 14:19:49 (PST)
In my previous posting I mention I have a copy of " My Ishmael," that is incorrect, I have a copy of " Ishmael." To Clear up a possible confusion, I am a prospective teacher, the teacher liaison is more accurately describe as my mentor. BTW, you may have read some of the posting of his student. Be kind to them :-)

Craig D. <>
Metairie, La. USA - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 12:24:20 (PST)
I was giving the book, " My Ismael" by my teacher liaison who is using the book to teach a high school class on cultural pluralism. I have yet to read th book. When the book was given to me and they were discussion pats of the book in class I couldnt help but take a look here and there in the book. What I found was pretty interesting view on the world. This appeal to me, because I always had a fascination with philosophical discussion dealing with the human spirit. I would like to add, I read some of the comments on this message board that I found to be erroneous in some way. I would like to caution some of you who view books such as these with suspicion or fear. It isnt neceassary to be apprehensive about this or others like it. I dont believe is intending to strike fear into your heart, but to challenge your thinking on the world around you. Its thought provoking, not a challenge on your belief structure. Thers no need to fear it, be strong and face it, think about it, but dont put it down and run. Running will only leave you with fear, and insecurity. Stay, and it will be enlightening and security in ones ownself.

Craig D. <>
Metairie, La. USA - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 08:45:23 (PST)
MARRERO, LA. USA - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 08:19:16 (PST)
My opinion of this book was that it was
very confusing. I really didn't get to
finish the whole book, but from what I read
I really didn't think that it was very
interesting to read. The book didn't entice
me to want to read more about it.

CARLA LAYNE <School computer>
Marrero, La USA - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 08:07:39 (PST)
Ishmael was a good book. It opened up the eyes for people that are interested in saving the world. People that don't care about anything but themselves think that Ishmael is an animal that doesn't know what he is talking about. from reading the book I know that he is a person just like anyone else that is smart and trying to teach us how to become better people in this taker culture.
Eric Carr <L.W. Higgins High School>
Marrero, LA USA - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 08:06:00 (PST)
Ishmael was a good book. It opened up the eyes for people that are interested in saving the world. People that don't care about anything but themselves think that Ishmael is an animal that doesn't know what he is talking about. from reading the book I know that he is a person just like anyone else that is smart and trying to teach us how to become better people in this taker culture.
Eric Carr <L.W. Higgins High School>
Marrero, LA USA - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 08:05:30 (PST)
Ishmael was a good book. It opened up the eyes for people that are interested in saving the world. People that don't care about anything but themselves think that Ishmael is an animal that doesn't know what he is talking about. from reading the book I know that he is a person just like anyone else that is smart and trying to teach us how to become better people in this taker culture.
Eric Carr <L.W. Higgins High School>
Marrero, LA USA - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 08:05:30 (PST)
Ishmael was a good book. It opened up the eyes for people that are interested in saving the world. People that don't care about anything but themselves think that Ishmael is an animal that doesn't know what he is talking about. from reading the book I know that he is a person just like anyone else that is smart and trying to teach us how to become better people in this taker culture.
Eric Carr <L.W. Higgins High School>
Marrero, LA USA - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 08:05:28 (PST)
Ishmael was a good book. It opened up the eyes for people that are interested in saving the world. People that don't care about anything but themselves think that Ishmael is an animal that doesn't know what he is talking about. from reading the book I know that he is a person just like anyone else that is smart and trying to teach us how to become better people in this taker culture.
Eric Carr <L.W. Higgins High School>
Marrero, LA USA - Monday, March 16, 1998 at 08:05:23 (PST)
As I was reading Ishmael, I raved to friends
that it is a life changing experience. As I
finished, I realized it was more a "life affirming"
experience, as I (as many others have written,
already believed in much of what DQ has written,
but was simply unable to put it all together in
such an eloquent, succinct, and accessible way.
Just finished Story of B, and a group of friends
and I are getting together this evening for a
discussion. Look forward to more.

Heather Wornell <>
Vancouver, BC Canada - Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 18:48:46 (PST)
I have always felt the same way as Ishmael has taught others, but without the ability to explain it. Thank you for bringing that explanation to the light. I will forever be changed and try to make others see that it is our only hope....... not just as a species, but as a member of a much more important community.
Bill Westerhoff <>
Norwalk , CT USA - Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 17:49:47 (PST)
I have always had the questions as to why tribal groups like the Native People of what we now call America, the Aborigines, etc, did not need lawyers, police officers, welfare systems, etc. to live in what I have read as a very harmonious, workable lifestyle. I also wanted to know why our children our not considered adults until they are 21 but less than a 100 years ago they could marry, have children, farm and other "adult" things and were a lot younger than 21. I wanted to know what gave the white man or other nations the right to come and steal not only people of there possesions but also try to steal their very beliefs and impose some bogus belief system that obviously was corrupt.
One day I was at a bookstore at a mall waiting for a book to jump out of me. Ishmael happen to be the book that day. It has confirmed so many things I believe to be true. It answered so many questions and showed me how Mother Culture has snuck in my life and led me to believe how certain things are true so I could fit in as piece of this unpieceable puzzle. Daniel Quinn has done an excellant job. (At this time I do not have an e-mail address.)

force the Native people of this land out of

rachel silbernagel <http//>
new whiteland, in USA - Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 15:53:33 (PST)
Just finished Ishmael and My Ishmael and I'm about to start B. Hooray for Daniel Quinn, the great message of truth in story form is nothing less than magnificent. I have felt something was wrong for a long time now, but thought it must be me. DQ's opened my eyes to the lies Mother Culture whispers in our ears, I will never be the same person I was. The message of Ishmael has the power to help us create a better world to live in and should be required reading in all schools.
yvonne schwartz <>
Santa Fe, TN USA - Sunday, March 15, 1998 at 14:54:10 (PST)
my god
this book has opened my eyes to what will become of the world if we continue to live the way we do. a copy of this book should be issued to every single "taker" on the planet.
we need to open our eyes people!

steven seighman <>
york, pa USA - Saturday, March 14, 1998 at 20:14:12 (PST)
I have read Ishmael, My Ishmael, and The Story of B three times each. They have showed me many things that I had felt before, but did not know how to express, and even more things that I had not. I have recommended them to teachers, friends, and even other students I don't know very well. These books changed my life, more than anyone could ever imagine. I would like to thank you, Mr. Quinn, for teaching me with your books. They are of great inspiration to me. I will try to help in any way that I can.
Tim Peterson <>
Urbana, Il USA - Saturday, March 14, 1998 at 12:42:39 (PST)
I read Ismael and have just finished reading My Ishmael. Needless to say, I am moved and curious about the issues presented.
Sharon D. Sweet <>
Denver, CO USA - Saturday, March 14, 1998 at 10:35:30 (PST)
Ishmael was a pivotal book for me. It has brought into focus many issues that have been on the tip of my tongue for years. Now, I have been viewing the human world around me as a bunch of trained, egomanical apes playing a charade!! I look fowar to reading the other books by DQ. How can I help?
Howard Weingarten <>
Flint Hill, VA USA - Friday, March 13, 1998 at 19:39:43 (PST)
I have no computer, hence no e-mail address,but did want to make a comment anyways. The book "Ishmael" has really made me re-think things I have always taken for granted, but knew somehow didn't quite seem right. Thank You Mr. Quinn .

Charles C. Sikes Jr.
Jacksonville, FL USA - Friday, March 13, 1998 at 11:29:29 (PST)
I knew that Ishmael was going to be somewhat of an inspiring book when I first received it , but I never imagined it would make me examine every aspect of , not just my being, but being as a whole. As I ventured into the book I realized how much the book seemed to be reading me , and I knew it would get to a point to where a partr of my existence would be made evident and be proven true (whicch is territory I dont want to venture into ). Needless to say I got mad at the book and threw it in the corner of my room. Itscared me because it confirmed something I didnt want to beleive.OVERALL it is a confirmation of sorts of everything that has happened and everything we have brought upon ourselves. We are an evil species and this book has taught me to hate myself for what I have uknowingly done . It gave me some suicidal thoughts because for a time i felt that was the only way to escape this horror we call life . Then I realized its a horror by our own fault and that is what led to my hate of all people. But isnt hate what started the whole mess in the first place? the fact is we cannot escape our own destiny if we could then destiny would not exist. It is in fact in vain that we have destoyed this world. COMPETITION AND THE RACE TO GET AHEAD HAS SET US BACK TO REGRESS AND OUR INEVITABLE FATE OF SELF DESTRUCTION SO SLOWLY BUT SURELY I AM COMMITING SUICIDE! I WORSHIP THIS BOOK AND CHERISH IT WITH ALL MY HEART!
Shannon Marie Rosa Saavedra <school computer>
waggaman, La USA - Friday, March 13, 1998 at 08:20:51 (PST)
In my opinion, this book is for people who are open-minded to the different aspect of the world. I thought it was boring at first but, it was interesting towards the end. I realized I live as a Taker instead of a Leaver. The book challenged me to think differently of the world.
THUY TRAN <TheWind222>
Avondale , la USA - Friday, March 13, 1998 at 08:10:25 (PST)






WESTWEGO, LA. USA - Friday, March 13, 1998 at 08:03:38 (PST)
The idea of Ishmael was an interesting thought of Daniel Quinn. It was soothing to know that the point of view about different subjects of grief and dissapointments came from a reliable source: the gorilla. Quinn led the readers to believe how cruel and insensitive our cultures and human charachteristics became. To me it is a very decisive act of cruelty. Although the book was an enjoyment to read it was also educational to my beliefs. Therefore in closing my opinion, Ishmael and the ideas of Ishmael deserve respect and gratification.
AVONDALE, LA USA - Friday, March 13, 1998 at 08:02:34 (PST)
I think Ishmael is an interesting book if you read it slowly and understand all the concepts that lays under each explanation the author or Ishmael tries to teach us. I have to admit, I didn't finish reading the whole book, but I skip around to try and find the answer. I would recommend this book to people who wants to "Save the World." I wouldn't mind reading the book again to fully understand what the author is trying to explain to all of us. In general, this book is very educational and makes people think. Finally, someone out there is thinking the same thing that I have been thinking for a long time, but I never had the guts to bring it up.
Le Pham <TheWind222>
Avondale, la USA - Friday, March 13, 1998 at 08:01:45 (PST)
Ishmael is a confusing book. The author doesn't answer the questions directly, he always go around it. That makes me angry because I don't know the answer to the questions either. Well, who does? I think people shouldn't think how bad the world is. They should look foward to the future. Whatever happen, happens. The world is going to end anyway, so why not now.
Thao Pham <TheWind222>
Avondale , la USA - Friday, March 13, 1998 at 07:55:48 (PST)
Reading the book when you're high is even better--you get a bliss that can't possibly be had if you're reading the book sober. Way to go Quinn. You're the answer to so many questions that have gone ingnored for so long.
Latoya <>
Chicago, IL USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 22:41:16 (PST)
For all of you Ishmaelites in the nearby area Daniel Quinn is giving a lecture at Kent state university on April 23 at 7:30. If anybody in the nearby area would like more info or maybe even a ride you can email me. Since I'm not a student of Kent state, I really have no idea about the place, or where it's being held. DQ is trying to send me more information and I'm trying to figure all this out. But I feel that if your in the tristate area you should try and make it.
hope to here from somebody,

Dennis Feeney <>
canfield, OH USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 18:08:24 (PST)
For all of you Ishmaelites in the nearby area Daniel Quinn is giving a lecture at Kent state university on April 23 at 7:30. If anybody in the nearby area would like more info or maybe even a ride you can email me. Since I'm not a student of Kent state, I really have no idea about the place, or where it's being held. DQ is trying to send me more information and I'm trying to figure all this out. But I feel that if in the tristate area you should try and make it.
hope to here from somebody,

Dennis Feeney <>
canfield, OH USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 18:04:45 (PST)
Hello Brooke (3/11/98 posting) and anyone else who didn't finish reading Ishmael because they feel that we as a culture question everything too much.
I can understand why a lot of people might be confused/frightened/bored with a book like Ishmael, but...actually one of the most re-assuring and inspirational messages I got from this book was that we should have faith and intense concentration about the way we live.
We should find our soul and when we have a desire to act in a way that is going to be destructive to our children, ask our soul "Do I need to do this to survive?" or "Am I being infuenced to act this way by someone/something that will benifit by me acting this way?" For example, I want new clothes. Do I need them to live?--90% of the time no, unless I live in Texas and plan to move to Canada and I need more than T-shirt in the Canadian winter...etc. So, why do I feel a desire to have new clothes? Are friends influencing me by competition for status? Do I want to be, or be like that "superstar athlete" who got payed a couple million dollars to lie to me on TV or in a magazine? What ever the reason, and for each of us the reason will be unique, it boils down to = What will our grandchildren say we did to leave them a world to live and be happy in. I we had faith as our ancient ancestors did then we wouldn't need to blindly stumble through the questions being addressed on this web site. If we can learn from the way our ancestors lived then our culture can errase these scarry questions because the answers will be a part of our lives.

I hope this will help Brooke and others that prematurely thought Ishmael was challenging their FAITH. It doesn't, but Ishmael only uses familliar examples of how faithless most faith religions are, because they constantly fight for the right to claim that their way is the only way, and the only interpretion of God.

I encourage you to finsh the book or read some of the other books I have recomended on my previous postings.


kevin <>
houston, USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 16:19:56 (PST)
Just wanted to drop my name into to pool
of Ishmaelites out there. Have read Ishmael,
Providence, and Story of B. Getting ready
to start My Ishmael. I won't say Quinn changed my life, because I've always not been comfortable--no, been disgusted--with our culture; but he sure did a better job of explaining why than I ever could. I tell everyone I know and think is free-thinking enough to read Ishmael.

Russell T. Blake <>
Columbia, Mo USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 16:06:43 (PST)
Enjoyed the book very much...the time to react is long overdue...
Glastonbury, CT USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 16:00:09 (PST)
Hello everything,

I read back over the past few messages posted in the guestbook, and I smile each time I read a comment from a first time reader of Ishmael, B, or My Ishmael. It reminds me of the first time Ishmael glued itself to my hand and mind at a bookstore.
Anyway, I liked the questions being asked, and would like to offer a few thoughts on some of them.
Nguyen---Your Q about the sun on the cover seems to remind me of the energy that is required for life, and indeed the very energy all life is made up of. Energy in all its beautiful forms.
Rodrigue and Gowen---Your comments about what we as individuals or as a group can do to "save the world" as we know it, seems overwhelming when we look at how complicated our lives have become. But Ishmael and B are two of millions of possible ways we could acomplish a simplified-Earth-sustaining way of living. I would like to recomend a few books that will help us find the aspects of our lives we should develope in order to simplify our lives and as example thus transform our lives, families, communities, cultures.
1. SHAPESHIFTING by John Perkins.

There are many more. And, in just about every field of study there are books and teachers brave enough to apply the message of Ishmael and other ancient wisdom to our world. The results are surprising. For example:
THE GROWTH ILLUSION is a book by a well known economist who is setting the stage for beautiful changes in the way economic policy is determind and applied... in the future.

Please don't let go of the intuition you developed in Ishmael, and be open to your potential for change.

kevin bethel <>
houston , tx USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 15:30:46 (PST)
I found the book Ishmael totally inspirational. It changed the whole way I look at the world. I found out about this book through a Pearl Jam newsletter. Thank you for showing me a new persective.
Christine Daly <>
Groveland, MA USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 13:53:49 (PST)
I've read all of Quinn's books and pick up new ones as soon as their published. We owe him a great deal for bringing the paradigm shifting thoughts to the fore. I do beleive I'm B although I'm afraid to speak out as loudly and as bodly as I should. This is my personal weakness and something I am working on. I often wish I'd go to a busy public space and just stand on a soapbox.
Brian Setzler <>
Portland, OR USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 13:28:06 (PST)
I read Ishmael for the first time about 3 years ago, and I was astonished to find so many things that I have always felt in my heart published with such clarity and beauty.I have since read it many times and like peeling away the fine layers of an onion, I always find something that I didn't see before. As a new surfer on the www, I am pleased to find out about this sight and plan to bookmark it. I also plan to go to my local library today and pick up Story of B and My Ishmael, which I never knew existed until now. Thank you Webmaster for a terrific site.
LC Livesay <>
Spartanburg, SC USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 09:42:30 (PST)
I love this book. I am so glad I had the opportunity to read it. I recommend everyone read it . I learned alot about myself and other people as well. I have to admit that this book angered me but it also comforted me. Ishmael reached me in places I never knew existed. I thank Quinn for making me even more mental than I already am.
veronica chacon <>
marrero, LA USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 08:28:30 (PST)
The book open my eyes to things i've been taking for granted all my life. I recommend that all schools allow their students to read this book.
Elbert Fredericks <>
Marrero, La USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 08:28:18 (PST)
When I started to read Ishmael I felt confused at the begining. As I read further into the book I started to understand what Ishmael was saying. When I finished reading the book I looked at life very differently. Some of the things that I for granted I take very seriously. I haven't read My Ishmael yet, but I plan to read it soon in the near future.
Corey Boudreaux <>
Marrero, LA USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 08:08:03 (PST)
Quinn's Ishmael was a powerful novel, that made me think very differently about our society. It showed me that the people of our culture are all slaves to the money. I hate the fact that people today can't survive without having the hunger for worldly possessions. I would love to exist as a "Leaver" society. This would mean being a part of nature and coexisting with all life.
ryan rodrigue <>
marrero, la USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 08:07:57 (PST)
What does the sun in the front of the book mean in the book of ishmael
and the story of the b.

Thong Nguyen <>
New Orleans, La USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 08:05:36 (PST)
I have yet to read Ishmael. I will certainly get it as soon as possible (as soon as I take that other book back to the library, I think I owe them like $10.00 in fines) At any rate, I reached this site through the Peral Jam Synergy site, and any book Eddie Vedder thinks this highly of, I have to read. Though, I'm sure I would have stumbled upon it myself one day.
Julia Ross <>
Louisville, KY USA - Thursday, March 12, 1998 at 02:14:55 (PST)
Some of the things and ideas expressed in this beautiful novel are what I have beleived. Not the things about god and such... I beleive in eveolution, because "religion is the mother of ignorance" - Baron D'holbach. Anyway... Reading this book shall enlighten even the darkest of souls
John <>
St. Charles, IL USA - Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 19:39:37 (PST)
a chat room about Ishmael would be great.
Cynthia <>
Douglas, wy USA - Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 15:51:21 (PST)
I am ready to change.
Earth first!

Matthew Talesfore <>
LA, ca USA - Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 14:58:20 (PST)
We read to see that we are not alone.

Fiction rarely showcases new ideas.
Quinn is almost the only author writing fiction worth reading. IMAGINE, OPRAH, a book which does not deal with rape or assault or slavers!

MiaHope <>
chicago, il USA - Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 11:21:27 (PST)
I am interested in thoughts of others, having had my thoughts for far too many years. My thoughts are a change froom the ordinary, As Mencken said,"thinking gives most people headaches."
Melvin J. Mc Gowan <lyd@iconnect>
Waukegan, Il USA - Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 10:58:18 (PST)
I have read Ishmael twice, and My Ishmael. I would like to think this new organization would be able to convince the elected officials to do some of the things suggested by Ishmael. Words are fine, deeds are what is needed. There is a saying which I think apropos:"laws must be changed to fit the circumstances that now exist."
Melvin J. Mc Gowan <lyd@iconnect>
Waukegan, Il USA - Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 10:48:25 (PST)
This was a very interesting book to both of us and it helped to open our eyes to the world around us and caused us to ask many contemplative and philosophical questions.
Molly and Erin <somewhere at SES>
Eagan, Mn USA - Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 10:31:47 (PST)
I read this book as a class project, through
reading this book I have learned alot about
the society I live in. I feel this book has
been an inspiretion on my classmates and I.
I also feel that this book should be read
in all classrooms around the world. It gives
you a whole new concept on our society.

Becky Smith <>
Marrero, LA USA - Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 08:33:21 (PST)
When I first started to read Ishmael I found it to be interesting and somewhat different. The further I read into it however I began to disagree with some of the beliefs being stated in the book. I do not view some things as Ishmael does. I do believe that this world is in trouble and something needs to be done before it is too late. I do not however believe in the books view of how things came to be this way. The book was very enlightening and I found it to be somewhat blunt as well and I would maybe reccomend it to others depending on who it was and why I thought they should read it. Maybe in a few years I can come back and read this book again and maybe my view will have changed. As far as things go now, I do not agree with some of the messages this book gives to its readers. The way I see it, one of the problems with this world is that everyone feels the need to question everything. Why don't we, instead of discussing all the mistakes that were made in the past, just learn to deal with them and make things better for the future. I do admit that I did not complete this book. My reason being that I was so against some of the views that I no longer enjoyed the book. I began to disagree and it became uninteresting and aggravating.
Brooke <>
Marrero, LA USA - Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 08:28:43 (PST)
I really enjoyed this book,but found it hard to comprehend in certain parts. This book also left me in a pool of philisophical thought. Sometimes it seemed to me that Ishmael was a bit cynical in his teachings but overall I really enjoyed.
Keith O'Quain Jr. <rlsjr @>
Marrero, LA USA - Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 08:26:03 (PST)
I was wondering why Ishmael is a gorilla?
When I first started reading this book I
felt that I had to do it because it was
for a grade now that I have completed it
I feel it helped me make some changes. I
now see that I'm one of the takers in my
society. I plan to make some more changes
in my own every day life.

Jolene Maria Rose Williams <>
Avondale, LA USA - Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 08:24:29 (PST)
Everything I read seems to point to a universal truth. "Ishmael, The Story of B and My Ishmael" just added three more to my list of books.. I highly recommend these extrodinary insights to all. I also recommend "The Celestine Prophecies". And of course you can't dismiss the ancient truths spoken by "Don Juan" of Carlos Castaneda's works. Even Joseph Campbell has told us many times over how history is but one. Travel around the world enough and you'll see that we are made from the same mold.

If we all nudge the universe just a little bit, maybe in another ten thousand years we will not have forgotten our history again.

I would like to share one of my haikus:

I seek you jungle
Your winding rivers and trees
To protect your winds


Ari J. Castano de Vera <>
Sacramento, Ca USA - Wednesday, March 11, 1998 at 00:24:11 (PST)
I have read "Ishmael" and "My Ishmael" and am well into "The Story of B" and my head is spinning. Does anyone know of anywhere on the net where I can go to discuss Daniel Quinn's work? I'm so frustrated because these works demand a discourse and no one I know has yet to read these books. Like a wonderous dream, I'm afraid if I don't talk about Quinn's books I'll soon forget everything I felt and thought while reading them. I do know this, I am changed.
V. F. DeMiero <>
Lynnwood, WA USA - Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 23:25:31 (PST)
I'm always recomending DQ's books and a particular magazine. Since everyone here knows the first part ...
Check out Earth Island Journal, a quarterly tree free mag. put out by Earth Island Institute (they're on the web too).

Steven Murray <school computer>
Mesa, AZ USA - Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 20:44:43 (PST)
The ideas Quinn presents in Ishmael are a truly startling form of propaganda perpetuated by the willingness of mindless environmental extremist to attach themselves to any movement that challenges the status quo. The notion that the "taker" culture is evil and catastrophically destructive as presented by Quinn is absurd and misguided.
I challenge all followers of Ishmael to search for their own answers concerning culture, man's role in life, and religion instead of simply accepting Quinn's version. Remember: The truth, NOT Ishmael, will set us all free.

C. Allen Trant <>
Tyler, Tx USA - Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 11:53:18 (PST)
If there IS indeed a better book than Ishmael (& co), i have yet to read it, and if there is a better author than Quinn, i have yet to hear of them.
Jessica Lingel <>
Batesville, IN USA - Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 09:52:58 (PST)
I really enjoyed the book, after reading I felt like I could save the world. This is the most truthful book that I have ever read. It really shows where the world could be headed if we don't try and make a difference. I really liked the way it compared humans to the world, to show that the world wasn't built for humans, but huans were built for the world.
Gerald D Burkhart II <>
Brutus, mi USA - Tuesday, March 10, 1998 at 07:45:30 (PST)
OK, the job begins..As Ishmael said, try and teach 100 people. I started on number 1 and 2 today! THANK YOU.
Steve Newman <>
Bainbridge Island, WA USA - Monday, March 09, 1998 at 19:32:18 (PST)

"A Teacher!"

"A Giver!"

t. <>
USA - Monday, March 09, 1998 at 17:26:36 (PST)

"A Teacher!"

"A Giver!"

t. <>
USA - Monday, March 09, 1998 at 17:26:34 (PST)
well i actually read this book because of a pearl jam fan club contest (which i see someone else here admitted to!!) and i'm more than halfway through with it even though i got it yesterday. it's very intriguing. i'm glad i picked it up. it makes you think, it makes you question the so-called "authority" of our modern culture. this kind of stuff has always worried me but i always kind of shoved it out of my mind... you know, "yeah yeah the rainforests are dying... i just won't think about it" and i'm sure many other people can attest to this too. well know i'm just rambling but i hope more people pick this book up and try to do something!!
maureen d <>
Albany, NY USA - Monday, March 09, 1998 at 16:39:04 (PST)
I am a passionate friend of Ishmael. I am currently attending the FuturePositive seminars in Houston. I am also a passionate musician who intends to use this vessel as a means of expressing the importance of Mr.Quinn's vision. I welcome all correspondence and hope that each and everyone one of us inspired and truly changed by this book will see that this is the first step to saving the world.
Scott Valentine (B) <>
Houston, TX USA - Monday, March 09, 1998 at 14:40:01 (PST)
I am a passionate friend of Ishmael. I am currently attending the FuturePositive seminars in Houston. I am also a passionate musician who intends to use this vessel as a means of expressing the importance of Mr.Quinn's vision. I welcome all correspondence and hope that each and everyone one of us inspired and truly changed by this book will see that that is the first step to saving the world.
Scott Valentine (B) <>
Houston, TX USA - Monday, March 09, 1998 at 14:39:21 (PST)
I'm only nineteen years old, and never have I been so influenced by one story, or one person. After initially throwing me into almost a state of despair, I have found new hope in Ismael's teachings. The more I discuss the story with friends, the better I feel that we can still fix things. I hope the audience of this book just keeps growing...
Maureen McGlinchy <>
Mercerville, NJ USA - Monday, March 09, 1998 at 12:48:44 (PST)
I just read "Ishmael",...very thought provoking and informative...I'm glad I found it.
Jody Williams <>
Carlsbad, nm USA - Monday, March 09, 1998 at 09:17:30 (PST)
Got a mail from a long time good friend: "Kent! Won't talk to you again until you've read Ishmael. Sign."
It is hard to change Takers thinking. This was one drastic way that worked. Ishmael is not a big thing i Norway (yet) but i won't talk to you ever again until…

Kent Andersen <>
Skien, Norway - Monday, March 09, 1998 at 04:46:41 (PST)
i have to be honest that the only reason that i read the book was for the pearl jam fan club but after about 30 pages i could not put the book down. I want to thank the band for pushing me to read the book and i think that it would be cool if it were done more often.
email me and say hi if ya would like

Jason Lyons <>
Winton, PA USA - Sunday, March 08, 1998 at 21:58:14 (PST)
I read Ismael in about a day and a half, and all the while, something was banging away at the back of my mind and yelling "I know this!!!" I'd started loosing interest/faith in life until Ishmael came by. The Story of Be hit me like a lightning bolt. I've been looking for anything that meant something to me, and this is it.

Thanks DQ, for Ishmael.

Brett A.C. Potts <>
Brisbane, Qld Australia - Sunday, March 08, 1998 at 18:28:26 (PST)
Fascinating! I'm sending it on to one of my sons who's studying philosophy.
J. G. Hart, < >
Raleigh, NC USA - Sunday, March 08, 1998 at 17:58:46 (PST)
Hello, Ishmael rocked my world when I first read it (1/97). I think it is time to read it again. Since then I have been absorbed in many books with similar content. I am most bothered by the notion that we shouldn't feed starving people. Although it makes sense to me, logically, it seems heartless. Of course that is because I see things from only the human perspective and I understand that is my bane. I am not sure how to escape that and would like to have access to some further dialogue from others who may be wrestling with similar questions as a result of reading this book. Ned
ned getchell <>
grand isle, vt USA - Sunday, March 08, 1998 at 14:31:41 (PST)
I read Ishmael for the second time recently.

All we really have to do is sell the entire world on a different story, right?

So let's study how that's done.


Jade Rubick <>
Toronto, ON CANADA - Saturday, March 07, 1998 at 22:35:39 (PST)
I am glad there is a website for friends of Ishmael to visit.
Aaron Falotico <>
Corvallis, OR USA - Friday, March 06, 1998 at 21:29:19 (PST)
i finished reading "The Story of B" yesterday and was completely blown away. the whole experience didn't seem real. i feel as if the knowledge in this book is unfathomable, i mean i believe whole heartedly every word, it's what i've always believed all spilled out on paper. however it's crazy that this book found in any bookstore... it's like if you want to keep something a secret post it on every billboard. anyone is welcome to write me- as i try to get a grip, i would be nice to have some company.
Amanda Morse <>
Boone, NC USA - Friday, March 06, 1998 at 15:42:02 (PST)
Love the philosophies behind these books! Count me in.
Krista Hale <>
Arlington, VA USA - Thursday, March 05, 1998 at 20:15:36 (PST)
I can't say enough about this book, I'm only 18 and for all the years leading up to my reading of Ishmael, it seems I thought of ways I could leave this world. I wanted my life to end so I could escape the misery. I read Ishmael, then My Ishmael, then The Story of B, after this I wanted to live. I wanted to live so that we could all continue to live. I didn't want to die anymore, I wanted Mother Culture to die. I recommend these books to everyone, and most people who meet me, see that my life has been changed. Most think I've changed for the worse, till they read the book, then they realize, worse is better. The most horrible thing a person can be within our culture is the highest state a person is capable of reaching. I'm not there yet, but I am becoming B.

Erik Safewright <>
Independence, VA USA - Wednesday, March 04, 1998 at 18:28:21 (PST)
People, it is not good enough to simply like the book, we must teach.
Brendon Smith <>
Waterville, Me USA - Wednesday, March 04, 1998 at 15:43:54 (PST)
I have read Ishmael, The Story of B and am working on My Ishmael. It has brought much clarity to my thinking but also has raised many more questions. Here's what I have been grappling with seems most of, if not all, Quinn readers are well educated do we bring these ideas, namely the mythology of our culture to light for those that do not have that educational background? This is the next major blockade we face.
There are two kinds of people in this society, the have's and the have nots, correct? But what about those that want to have? Somehow we must bring these ideas to them. You cannot change the vision of the world without chaning the minds of those who do not benefit from it yet still strive to have what is oppressing or destroying them. Ask yourself how can we become self-sustaining, then, how can we make the inner city self-sustaining? I'm looking for an answer which will not promote yet another program but further the vision. Just think of the progress that answer will bring.
I believe the new vision will not lie within the current continuum of leaver and taker but on some other plane entirely. Push your mind furthur...don't be afraid of trial and failure...and eventually one of us, or a bunch of us will grasp it and make it reality (be sure to let the rest of us know when you do).
Thanks to Quinn for starting us out.

Chris Dollhausen <>
Milwaukee, wi USA - Wednesday, March 04, 1998 at 12:14:44 (PST)
This is a book that everyone needs to read.
Stephanie Swartzendruber <>
Mpls, MN USA - Wednesday, March 04, 1998 at 11:24:57 (PST)
Loved the book; it changed my life. Made me rethink everything I had ever learned in my traditional upbringing. I'm recommending it to everyone I know.
Jude Safewright <>
Independence, VA USA - Tuesday, March 03, 1998 at 23:14:06 (PST)
I sat down on Saturday with the intent of reading a few chapters of this book I had heard about called "Ishmael." Little did I know that I would not be putting that book down untl I finished it. I study philosophy and English right now so I love to write. After reading this book, I'll never look at philosophy or writing the same again. I just want to say that Mr. Quinn is the geneiuos of our era. I would like to thank him for finding a way to express reality in such a brilliant way. THANK YOU DANIEL QUINN!!
Daniel Witt <>
Houston , TX USA - Tuesday, March 03, 1998 at 10:32:09 (PST)
I have read Ishmael and My Ishmael and am now reading The Story of B. I would like to know more.
Peggy Saurey <>
Columbia Falls, MT USA - Tuesday, March 03, 1998 at 09:47:32 (PST)
I've just finished reading Ishmael and its sequel and enjoyed them very much. I am in college but at a point in my life where I have no career of preference so I chose fish culture. I chose it because it will be and is a necessary method of farming because we have already over harvested. The over harvesting of ocean stocks is just the beginning of our downward spiral. Quinn has managed to put my uneasiness about our(taker)future into words.

Please remember that we must live the right way for us.

R.Moreau <>
Lindsay, ON Canada - Monday, March 02, 1998 at 17:09:52 (PST)

Teresa Zimmerman <CHEYENMORE@AOL.COM>
ROUND ROCK, TX USA - Monday, March 02, 1998 at 15:40:11 (PST)
this book reinforced the idea's that i ahd been grappeling with for somt time now, it realived that great pressure of how to explain the pain thatracked me every time i saw the Innuit of Labrador and their battel against the takers of the mining industry and the rest of us for that matter. i hope that more people out there will see the truth in Ishmaels words, in hopes of changing our world and saving soemthing beautiful.
Heidi Spande <>
Lee, nh USA - Monday, March 02, 1998 at 06:32:19 (PST)
I just sent a question in to the webmaster about my opinion, on the possibility of the earth collapsing over and over until the "Takers" get the right theory in to effect. Besides that... I would like to say that this has been one of the most rewarding sites I've ever been to. I hope it recieves more recommendation, all over the web, so that more people can become aware of ISHMAEL or other new ideas, and what it could offer them. . .
Mandy Savage <>
Gresham, OR USA - Sunday, March 01, 1998 at 22:52:02 (PST)
Thank You!!
Ben Bilodeau <>
Missoula, MT USA - Sunday, March 01, 1998 at 15:09:49 (PST)
I am delighted to visit the Ishmael website and appreciate the creativity and thought that have enivitably produced an exciting and worthy place. I know I will be returning to explore and hope to participate in a real life group effort to see the obvious and save the world.

Keri Isbell <>
Seattle, WA USA - Sunday, March 01, 1998 at 13:21:10 (PST)
indeed a time of evolution.
now a thought came to mind the other day i was explaining to a friend that if you unlock the food our culture will find a new balance to live by, but his retorte was only the strongest of our culture would get the food. big guns take the food? what do you think?

t.a.hill <>
white salmon, wa USA - Sunday, March 01, 1998 at 07:57:34 (PST)